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Replies to Minor Queries.

_Eulenspiegel or Ulenspiegel_ (Vol. vii., pp. 357. 416. 507.).--MR. THOMS'S suggestion, and his quotation in proof thereof from the Chronicler, are farther verified by the following inscription and verses which I transcribe from an engraved portrait of the famous jester:

"Ulenspiegel.

"Ligt Begraben zu Dom in Flandern in der grosen Kirch, auf dem
Grabister also Likend abgebildet. Starb A^o. 1301."

These lines are above the portrait, and beneath it are the verses next following:

"Tchau _Ulenspiegeln_ hier. Das Bildniss macht dich lachen:
Was wurdst du thun siehst du jhn selber Possen machen?
Zwar _Thyle_ ist ein Bild und _Spiegel_ dieser Welt,
Viel Bruder er verliess; Wir treiben Narretheyen,
In dem uns dunckt, dass wir die grosten Weysen seyen,
Drum lache deiner selbst; diss Blat dich dir vorstellt."

The portrait, evidently that of a man of large intellect, is very life-like, and full of animation. He seems to be some fifty years of age or so; he has a cap, ornamented by large feather, on his head. He is seated in a chair, has a book in his hand, and is attired in a kind of magisterial robe bordered with fur. There is a good-humoured roguish twinkle in his eyes; and I should be inclined to call him, judging from the portrait before me, an epigrammatist rather than mere vulgar jester. The engraving is beautifully executed: it has neither date nor place of publication, but its age may perhaps be determined by the names of the painter (Paulus Furst) and engraver (P. Troschel). The orthography is by no means of recent date. I cannot translate the verses to my own satisfaction; and should feel much obliged if you, MR. EDITOR, or MR. THOMS, would favour the readers of "N. & Q." with an English version thereof.

HENRY CAMPKIN.

Reform Club.

_Lawyers' Bags_ (Vol. vii., pp. 85. 144.).--Colonel Landman is doubtless correct in his statement as to the colour of barristers' bags; but from the evidence of A TEMPLAR and CAUSIDICUS, we must place the change from green to red at some period anterior to the trial of Queen Caroline. In Queen Anne's time they were _green_.

"I am told, Cousin Diego, you are one of those that have undertaken to
manage me, and that you have said you will carry a _green bag_
yourself, rather than we shall make an end of our lawsuit: I'll teach
them and you too to manage."--_The History of John Bull_, by Dr.
Arbuthnot, Part I. ch. xv.

T. H. KERSLEY, B. A.

Audlem, Cheshire.

_"Nine Tailors make a Man"_ (Vol. vi., pp. 390. 563.; Vol. vii., p. 165.).--The origin of this saying is to be sought for elsewhere than in England only. Le Conte de la Villemarque, in his {558} interesting collection of Breton ballads, _Barzas-Breiz_, vol. i. p. 35., has the following passage:

"Les tailleurs, cette classe vouee au ridicule, en Bretagne, comme dans
le pays de Galles, en Irlande, en Ecosse, en Allemagne et ailleurs, et
qui l'etait jadis chez toutes les nations guerrieres, dont la vie
agitee et errante s'accordait mal avec une existence casaniere et
paisible. Le peuple dit encore de nos jours en Bretagne, _qu'il faut
neuf tailleurs pour faire un homme_, et jamais il ne prononce leur nom,
sans oter son chapeau, et sans dire: 'Sauf votre respect.'"

The saying is current also in Normandy, at least in those parts which border on Britany. Perhaps some of the readers of "N. & Q." may be able to say whether it is to be found in other parts of Europe.

HONORE DE MAREVILLE.

Guernsey.

_"Time and I"_ (Vol. vii., pp. 182. 247.).--Arbuthnot calls it a Spanish proverb. In the _History of John Bull_, we read among the titles of other imaginary chapters in the "Postscript," that of--

"Ch. XVI. Commentary upon the _Spanish_ Proverb, _Time and I against
any Two_; or Advice to Dogmatical Politicians, exemplified in some New
Affairs between John Bull and _Lewis Baboon_."

T. H. KERSLEY, B. A.

Audlem, Cheshire.

_Carr Pedigree_ (Vol. vii., pp. 408. 512.).--W. ST. says that William Carr married Elizabeth, daughter of Edward Sing, Bishop of Cork. The name is Synge, not Sing. The family name was originally Millington, and was changed to Synge by Henry VIII. or Queen Elizabeth, on account of the sweetness of the voice of one of the family, who was a clergyman, and the ancestor of George Synge, Bishop of Cloyne; Edward Synge, Bishop of Ross; Edward Synge, Archbishop of Tuam; Edward Synge, Bishop of Leighlin and Ferns; Nicholas Synge, Bishop of Killaloe; the late Sir Samuel Synge Hutchinson, Archdeacon of Killala; and of the present Sir Edward Synge.

I cannot find that any of these church dignitaries had a daughter married to Wm. Carr. Nicholas Synge, Bishop of Killaloe, left a daughter, Elizabeth, who died unmarried in 1834, aged ninety-nine; but I cannot discover that either of the other bishops of that family had a daughter Elizabeth.

GULIELMUS.

_Campvere, Privileges of_ (Vol. vii., pp. 262. 440.).--What were these privileges, and whence was the term derived?

"Veria, quae et Canfera, vel Campoveria potius dicitur, alterum est
inter oppida hujus insulae, muro et moenibus clausa, situ quidem ad
aquilonem obversa, et in ipso oceani littore: fossam habet, quae
Middelburgum usque extenditur, a qua urbe leucae tantum unius, etc.

"Estque oppidulum satis concinnum, et mercimoniis florens, maxime
propter commercia navium _Scoticarum_, quae in isto potissimum portu
stare adsueverunt.

"_Scotorum_ denique, superioribus annis, frequentatione celebris et
_Scoticarum_ mercium, praecipue vellerum ovillorum, stapula, ut vocant,
et emporium esse coepit."--L. Guicciardini, _Belgium_ (1646), vol. ii.
pp. 67, 68.

Will J. D. S. be so good as to say where he found the "Campvere privileges" referred to?

E.

_Haulf-naked_ (Vol. vii., p. 432.).--The conjecture that _Half-naked_ was a manor in co. Sussex is verified by entries in _Cal. Rot. Pat._, 11 Edw. I., m. 15.; and 13 Edw. I., m. 18. Also in _Abbreviatio Rot. Orig._, 21 Edw. III., _Rot._ 21.; in which latter it is spelt _Halnaked_.

J. W. S. R.

St. Ives, Hunts.

_Old Picture of the Spanish Armada_ (Vol. vii., p. 454.).--Although perhaps this may not be reckoned an answer to J. S. A.'s Query on this head, I have to inform you that in the steeple part of Gaywood Church near this town, is a fine old painting of Queen Elizabeth reviewing the forces at Tilbury Fort, and the Spanish fleet in the distance. It is framed, and sadly wants cleaning.

J. N. C.

King's Lynn.

_Parochial Libraries_ (Vol. vi., p. 432., &c.).--We have in St. Margaret's parish a parochial library, which is kept in a room fitted up near the vestry of the church in this town.

J. N. C.

King's Lynn.

To the list of places where there are parochial libraries may be added Bewdley, in Worcestershire. There is a small library in the Grammar School of that place, consisting, if I recollect aright, mainly of old divinity, under the care of the master: though it is true, for some years, there has been no master.

S. S. S.

In the preface to the _Life of Lord Keeper Guilford_, by Roger North, it appears that Dudleys youngest daughter of Charles, and granddaughter of Dudley Lord North, dying,--

"Her library, consisting of a choice collection of Oriental books, by
the present Lord North and Grey, her only surviving brother, was given
to the parochial library of Rougham in Norfolk, where it now remains."

This library then existed in 1742, the date of the first edition of the work.

FURVUS.

St. James's.

_How to stain Deal_ (Vol. vii., p. 356.).--Your correspondent C. will find that a solution of {559} asphaltum in boiling turpentine is a very good stain to dye deal to imitate oak. This must be applied when cold with a brush to the timbers: allowed to get dry, then size and varnish it.

The dye, however, which I always use, is a compound of raw umber and a small portion of blue-black diluted to the shade required with strong size in solution: this must be used hot. It is evident that this will not require the preparatory sizing before the application of the varnish. Common coal, ground in water, and used the same as any other colour, I have found to be an excellent stain for roof timbers.

W. H. CULLINGFORD.

Cromhall, Gloucestershire.

_Roger Outlawe_ (Vol. vii., p. 332.).--Of this person, who was Lord Deputy of Ireland for many years of the reign of Edward III., some particulars will be found in the notes to the _Proceedings against Dame Alice Kyteler_, edited for the Camden Society by Mr. Wright, p. 49. There is evidently more than one misreading in the date of the extract communicated by the REV. H. T. ELLACOMBE: "die pasche in viiij mense anno B. Etii post ultimum conquestum hibernia quarto." I cannot interpret "in viiij mense;" but the rest should evidently be "anno _Regis Edwardi tertii_ post ultimum conquestum Hiberniae quarto."

May I ask whether this "last conquest of Ireland" has been noticed by palaeographers in other instances?

ANON.

_Tennyson_ (Vol. vii., p. 84.).--Will not the following account by Lord Bacon, in his _History of Henry VII._, of the marriage by proxy between Maximilian, King of the Romans, and the Princess Anne of Britany, illustrate for your correspondent H. J. J. his last quotation from Tennyson?

"She to me
Was proxy-wedded with a bootless calf,
At eight years old."

"Maximilian so far forth prevailed, both with the young lady and with
the principal persons about her, as the marriage was consummated by
proxy, with a ceremony at that time in these parts new. For she was not
only publicly contracted, but stated, as a bride, and solemnly bedded;
and after she was laid, there came in Maximilian's ambassador with
letters of procuration, and in the presence of sundry noble personages,
men and women, put his leg, stripped naked to the knee, between the
espousal sheets," &c.

TYRO.

Dublin.

_Old Fogie_ (Vol. vii., p. 354.).--MR. KEIGHTLEY supposes the term of _old fogie_, as applied to "mature old warriors," to be "of pure Irish origin," or "rather of Dublin birth." In this he is certainly mistaken, for the word _fogie_, as applied to old soldiers, is as well known, and was once as familiarly used in Scotland, as it ever was or could have been in Ireland. The race was extinct before my day, but I understand that formerly the permanent garrisons of Edinburgh, and I believe also of Stirling, Castles, consisted of veteran companies; and I remember, when I first came to Edinburgh, of people who had seen them, still talking of "the Castle fogies."

Dr. Jamieson, in his _Scottish Dictionary_, defines the word "foggie or fogie," to be first, "an invalid, or garrison soldier," secondly, "a person advanced in life" and derives it from "Su. G. _fogde_, formerly one who had the charge of a garrison."

This seems to me a more satisfactory derivation than MR. KEIGHTLEY'S, who considers it a corruption or diminutive of _old folks_.

J. L.

City Chambers, Edinburgh.

_Errata corrigenda._--Vol. ii., p. 356. col. 2., near the bottom, for Sir _William_ Jardine, read Sir _Henry_ Jardine. Sir William and Sir Henry were very different persons, though the former was probably the more generally known. Sir H. was the author of the report referred to.

Vol. vii., p. 441. col. 1. line 15, for _Lenier_ read _Ferrier_.

J. L.

City Chambers, Edinburgh.

_Anecdote of Dutens_ (Vol. vii., pp. 26. 390.).--

"Lord Lansdowne at breakfast mentioned of Dutens, who wrote _Memoires
d'un Voyageur qui se repose_, and was a great antiquarian, that, on his
describing once his good luck in having found (what he fancied to be) a
tooth of Scipio's in Italy, some one asked him what he had done with
it, upon which he answered briskly: 'What have I done with it? Le
voici,' pointing to his mouth; where he had made it supplemental to a
lost one of his own."--Moore's _Journal_, vol. iv. p. 271.

E. H. A.

_Gloves at Fairs_ (Vol. vii., p. 455.).--In Hone's _Every-day Book_ (vol. ii. p. 1059.) is the following paragraph:--

"EXETER LAMMAS FAIR.--The charter for this fair is perpetuated by a
glove of immense size, stuffed and carried through the city on a very
long pole, decorated with ribbons, flowers, &c., and attended with
music, parish beadles, and the mobility. It is afterwards placed on the
top of the Guildhall, and then the fair commences: on the taking down
of the glove, the fair terminates.--P."

As to Crolditch, _alias_ Lammas Fair, at Exeter, see Izacke's _Remarkable Antiquities of the City of Exeter_, pp. 19, 20.