Chapter C: H. Cooper

Cambridge.

The word _other-some_ occurs in the authorised version of the Bible, Acts xvii. 18. "Other some, He seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods." It does not occur in any of the earlier versions of this passage in Bagster's _English Hexapla_. Halliwell says that it is "a quaint but pretty phrase of frequent occurrence," and gives an example dated 1570. _Unneath_, according to the same authority, is used in Somersetshire. _Other-some_ is constantly used in Norfolk. I think it, however, a pity that your space should be occupied by such Queries as these, which a simple reference to Halliwell's _Dictionary_ would have answered.

E. G. R.

_Willow Pattern_ (Vol. vi., p. 509.).--Evidently a Chinese design. The bridge-houses, &c., are purely Chinese; and also the want of perspective. I have seen crockery in the shops in Shanghai with the _same pattern_, or at least with very slight difference.

H. B.

Shanghai.

_Cross and Pile_ (Vol. vii., p. 487.).--Another evidence that the word _pile_ is of French origin: {632} "_Pille_, pile; that side of the coin which bears the head. Cross or pile, a game."--_A Dictionary of the Norman French Language_, by Robert Kelham of Lincoln's Inn: London, 1779, 8vo., p. 183.

[Phi].

_Old Fogie_ (Vol. vii., pp. 354. 559.).--J. L., who writes from Edinburgh, denies the Irish origin of this appellation, because he says it was used of the "veteran companies" who garrisoned the castles of Edinburgh and Stirling. My mother, who was born in 1759, often told me that she never had heard any other name for the old men in the Royal Hospital, in the vicinity of which she passed her early days. It was therefore a well-known name a century ago in Dublin, and consequently was in use long before; probably from the building of the hospital in the reign of Charles II. Can J. L. trace the Scotch term as far back as that? Scotch or Irish, however, I maintain that my derivation is the right one. J. L. says he prefers that of Dr. Jamieson, in his _Scottish Dictionary_, who "derives it from Su.-G. _Fogde_, formerly one who had the charge of a garrison." In thus preferring a Scottish authority, J. L. shows himself to be a true Scot; but he must allow me to ask him, is he acquainted with the Swedish language? (for that is what is meant by the mysterious Su.-G.) And if so, is he not aware that _Fogde_ is the same as the German _Vogt_, and signifies governor, judge, steward, &c., never merely a military commandant; and what on earth has that to do with battered old soldiers?

I may as well take this opportunity of replying to another of your Caledonian correspondents, respecting the origin of the word _nugget_. The Persian derivation is simply ridiculous, as the word was not first used in Australia. I am then perfectly well aware that this term has long been in use in Scotland and the north of Ireland as _i. q._ lump, as a _nugget_ of bread, of sugar, &c. But an _ingot_ is a lump also: and the derivation is so simple and natural, that in any case I am disposed to regard it as the true one. May not the Yankee term have been made independently of the British one?

THOS. KEIGHTLEY.

_Another odd Mistake_ (Vol. vii., p. 405.).--On page 102. of _Last Glimpses of Convocation_, by A. J. Joyce, 1853, I read of "the defiance thrown out to Henry III. by his barons, _Nolumus leges Angliae mutare_." I have never read of any such defiance, expressed in any such language, anywhere else.

W. FRASER.

Tor-Mohun.

_Spontaneous Combustion_ (Vol. vii., pp. 286. 440.).--I have somewhere read an account of a drunkard whose body was so saturated with alcohol, that being bled in a fever, and the lamp near him having been overthrown, the blood caught fire, and burst into a blaze: the account added, that he was so startled by this occurrence, that on his recovery he reformed thoroughly, and prolonged his life to a good old age. Where is this story to be found, and is the fact related physically possible? It seems to bear on the question of spontaneous combustion.

W. FRASER.

Tor-Mohun.

_Erroneous Forms of Speech_ (Vol vii., p. 329.).--E. G. R. will find, on farther inquiry, that he is in the wrong as regards the mode of writing and speaking _mangold-wurzel_. The subject was discussed in the _Gardeners' Chronicle_ in 1844. There (p. 204.) your correspondent will find, by authority of "a German," that _mangold_ is field-beet or leaf-beet: and that _mangel_ is a corruption or pretended emendation of the common German appellation, and most probably of English coinage. Such a thing as _mangel-wurzel_ is not known on the Continent; and the best authorities now, in this country, all use _mangold-wurzel_.

M.

P.S.--Since writing the above, I have seen MR. FRERE's note on the same subject (Vol. vii, p. 463.). The substitution of _mangel_ for the original _mangold_, was probably an attempt to correct some vulgar error in orthography; or to substitute a word of some significance for one of none. But, as Dr. Lindley has said, "If we adopt a foreign name, we ought to take it as we find it, whatever may be its imperfections."

_Ecclesia Anglicana_ (Vol. vii., pp. 12. 440. 535.).--I gladly set down for G. R. M. the following instances of the use of "Ecclesia Gallicana;" they are quotations occurring in Richard's _Analysis Consiliorum_: he will find many more in the same work as translated by Dalmasus:

"Ex _Gallicanae Ecclesiae_ usu, Jubilaei Bullae ad Archiepiscopos mittendae
sunt, e quorum manibus ad suffraganeos Episcopos
perferuntur."--_Monumenta Cleri_, tom. ii. p. 228.

"_Gallicana Ecclesia_ a disciplinae remissione, ante quadringentos aut
quingentos annos inducta, se melius quam aliae defendit, Romanaeque curiae
ausis vehementius resistat."--Fleurius, _Sermo super Ecclesiae Gallicanae
Libertatibus_.

I have not time to search for the other examples which he wants; though I have not any doubt but they would easily be found. The English Church has been, I consider, a more Romanising church than many; but, in mediaeval times, the most intimate connexion with Rome did not destroy, though it impaired, the nationality of the church. The church of Spain is, I believe, now one of the most national of the churches in communion with Rome.

W. FRASER.

Tor-Mohun.

_Gloves at Fairs_ (Vol. vii., p. 455.).--The writer saw, a few years ago, the shape of a glove hanging {633} during the fair at the common ground of Southampton, and was told, that while it was there debtors were free from arrest within the town.

ANON.

In returning my thanks to your correspondents who have given instances of this custom, allow me to add that a friend has called my attention to the fact that Mattishall _Gant_, or fair, takes place in Rogation or _Gang week_, and probably takes its name from the latter word. Forby says that there are probably few instances of the use of this word, and I am not aware of any other than the one he gives, viz. Mattishall _Gant_.

E. G. R.

_Popular Sayings.--The Sparrows at Lindholme_ (Vol. vii., p. 234.).--The sparrows at Lindholme have made themselves scarce here, under the following circumstances:--William of Lindholme seems to have united in himself the characters of hermit and wizard. When a boy, his parents, on going to Wroot Feast, hard by, left him to keep the sparrows from the corn; at which he was so enraged that he took up an enormous stone, and threw it at the house to which they were gone, but from throwing it too high it fell on the other side. After he had done this he went to the feast, and when scolded for it, said he had fastened up all the sparrows in the barn; where they were found, on the return home, all dead, except a few which were turned white. (Vide Stonehouse's _History of the Isle of Axholme_.)

As for the "Doncaster Daggers" and "Hatfield Rats," also inquired after, I have no information, although those places are in the same neighbourhood.

W. H. L.

_Effects of the Vox Regalis of the Queen Bee_ (Vol. vii., p. 499.).--Dr. Bevan, than whom there is probably no better authority on apiarian matters, discredits this statement of Huber. No other naturalist appears to have witnessed these wonderful effects. Dr. Bevan however states, that when the queen is

"Piping, prior to the issue of an after-swarm, the bees that are near
her remain still, with a slight inclination of their heads, but whether
impressed by fear or not seems doubtful."--Bevan _On the Honey Bee_, p.
18.

CHEVERELLS.

_Seneca and St. Paul_ (Vol. vii., p. 500.).--

"The fourteen letters of Seneca to Paul, _which are printed_ in the old
editions of Seneca, are apocryphal."--Dr. W. Smith's _Dict. of
Mythology_, &c.

"SENECA, Opera, 1475, fol. The second part contains only his letters,
and _begins with the correspondence of St. Paul and Seneca_."--Ebert's
_Bibl. Dict._

B. H. C.

_Hurrah_ (Vol. vi., p. 54.; Vol. vii., p. 595.).--Wace's _Chronicle of the Norman Conquest_, as it appears in Mr. Edgar Taylor's translation, pp. 21, 22, mentions the war-cries of the various knights at the battle of Val des Dunes. Duke William cries "Dex aie," and Raol Tesson "_Tur aie_;" on which there is a note that M. Pluquet reads "Thor aide," which he considers may have been derived from the ancient Northmen. Surely this is the origin of our modern _hurrah_; and if so, perhaps the earliest mention of our English war-cry.

J. F. M.

_Purlieu_ (Vol. vii., p. 477.).--The etymology of this word which Dr. Johnson adopted is that which many others have approved of. The only other derivation which appears to have been suggested is from _perambulatio_. Blount, _Law Dict._, s. voc., thus explains:

"_Purlue_ or _Purlieu_ (from the Fr. _pur_, i. e. _purus_, and _lieu_,
locus) is all that ground near any forest, which being made forest by
Henry II., Richard I., or King John, were, by _perambulation_, granted
by Henry III., severed again from the same, and became _purlue_, i. e.
pure and free from the laws and ordinances of the forest. Manwood, par.
2., For. Laws, cap. 20.; see the statute 33 Edw. I. stat. 5. And the
perambulation, whereby the _purlieu_ is deafforested, is called
_pourallee_, i. e. _perambulatio_. 4 Inst. fol. 303."

(See also Lye, Cowel, Skinner, and especially Minshaeus.)

B. H. C.

_Bell Inscriptions_ (Vol. vi., p. 554.).--In Weever's _Ancient Funeral Monuments_ (London, 1631) are the following inscriptions:

"En ego campana nunquam denuncio vana;
Laudo Deum verum, plebem voco, congrego clerum.
Defunctos plango, vivos voco, fulmina frango.
Vox mea, vox vitae, voco vos ad sacra, venite,
Sanctos collaudo, tonitrus fugo, funera claudo."
. . . . . .
"Funera plango, fulgura frango, Sabbatha pango,
Excito lentos, dissipo ventos, paco cruentos."

There is also an old inscription for a "holy water" vessel:

"Hujus aquae tactus depellit Demonis actus.
Asperget vos Deus cum omnibus sanctis suis ad vitam aeternam.
Sex operantur aqua benedicta.
Cor mundat, Accidiam fugat, venalia tollit,
Auget opem, removetque hostem, phantasmata pellit."

At page 848. there is a beautiful specimen of an old font in the church of East Winch, in the diocese of Norwich.

CLERICUS (D).

Dublin.

_Quotation from Juvenal_ (Vol. vii., pp. 166. 321.).--My copy of this poet being unfortunately without notes, I was not aware that there was authority for "abest" in this passage; but my argument still remains much the same, as regards quoters {634} having retained for their own convenience a reading which most editors have rejected. I observe that Gifford, in his translation, takes _habes_ as the basis of his version in both the passages mentioned.

May I ask if it is from misquotation, or variation in the copies, that an even more hackneyed quotation is never given as I find it printed, Sat. 2. v. 83.: "Nemo repente _venit_ turpissimus?"

J. S. WARDEN.

_Lord Clarendon and the Tubwoman_ (Vol. vii., pp. 133. 211.).--Your correspondent L. has not proved this story to be fabulous: it has usually been told of the wife of Sir Thomas Aylesbury, great-grandmother of the two queens, and, for anything we know yet of _her_ family, it may be quite true.

J. S. WARDEN.

_Rathe_ (Vol. vii., p. 512).--I can corroborate the assertion of Anon., that this word is still in use in Sussex, though by no means frequently. Not long since I heard an old woman say, "My gaeffer (meaning her husband) got up quite _rathe_ this morning."

In the case of the early apple it is generally pronounced _ratheripe_.

See also Cooper's excellent _Sussex Glossary_, 2nd edit. 1853.

M.

_Old Booty's Case_ (Vol. iii., p. 40.).--The most authentic report of this case is, I think, in one of the London Gazettes for 1687 or 1688. I read the report in one of these at the British Museum several years ago. It purported to be given only a few days after the trial had taken place.

H. T. RILEY.

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