Chapter V: T. Sternberg (2)

_Longevity_ (Vol. vii., p. 368. &c.).--Several of the upland parishes bordering on the river Yare have had remarkable instances of longevity. One of the best authenticated was a man named Pottle, who resided on the Reedham estate of the late J. F. Leathes, Esq., of Herringfleet. When Pottle was 104 years old, the tenantry on the estate subscribed to have his portrait painted, {256} which they presented to their landlord, each retaining a lithograph copy of it. Many of these copies I have seen. Two years after this I conversed with the old man, who was then keeping cows on a common. There was nothing remarkable about him except his voice, which was very loud and powerful. He has now been dead some time, but I do not know his exact age at death.

In the register of burials for the parish of Runham, Norfolk, is this entry:

"August 12, 1788. William Russels, aged One hundred and one
years."

The clergyman has entered the age in round text-hand, evidently that the entry might not escape notice.

E. G. R.

_Irish Bishops as English Suffragans_ (Vol. vii., p. 569.).--The following instances of Irish bishops acting as bishops in England will be additional illustrations of the facts adduced by AN OXFORD B. C. L.

"Requisitus idem Simon de suis Ordinibus dicit, quod apud
Oxoniam recepit Ordinem subdiaconi a _quodam Episcopo Yberniæ_,
Albino nomine, _tunc vicario Episcopi Lincolniensis_. Item ab
eodem recepit Ordinem diaconi.... ¶ Capellanus de Sandhurst
Johannes De Siveburn dicit, quod ordinatus fuit sudiaconum
apud Cicestriam, Diaconum apud Winton., _ab Episcopo Godfrido,
in Ybernia_."--Maskell's _Ancient Liturgy of the Church of
England_, p. 181., note.

W. FRASER.

Tor-Mohun.

_Green Pots used for drinking from by Members of the Temple_ (Vol. viii., p. 171.).--The green pots mentioned in Sir Julius Cæsar's letter had been introduced into the Inner Temple about thirty years before its date. This appears from the following passage in Dugdale's _Origines Juridiciales_ (1680), p. 148., where he refers to the register of that Society, fol. 127 _a._:

"Untill the second year of Q. Eliz. reign, this Society did
use to drink in Cups of Ashen-Wood (such as are still used in
the King's Court), but then those were laid aside, and green
earthen pots introduced, which have ever since continued."

When were these green pots discontinued? Paper Buildings were erected nearly fifty years before Dugdale's time. The new part built in 1849 was on the south of these, which may, perhaps, have been the site of the dust-hole of the Society, and thus become the depositary of the broken pots mentioned by B.

EDWARD FOSS.

_Shape of Coffins_ (Vol. viii., p. 104.).--As bearing somewhat upon MR. ELLACOMBE'S Query, allow me to remark that when travelling a few years since in the United States, having about an hour's delay in the city of Rochester, N. Y., I entered one of the churches during a funeral service. When the ceremony (at which a considerable number of persons attended) was concluded, the congregation left their seats and walked in very orderly procession towards the reading-desk, in front of which was placed the coffin, without any pall or covering. They then slowly walked round it, in order, as I afterwards found, to take their last look at the departed. This they were enabled to do without the removal of the lid, by raising the upper or head portion of it, which was hinged a square of glass beneath allowing the face to be seen. This strange custom, which, for my own part, I think would be "more honoured by the breach than the observance," as the recollection of the living face to me is far preferable to that of death, I do not remember to have seen noticed by any of our many travellers in America, though I afterwards found it to be general. The coffins, which are somewhat differently shaped to ours, sloping towards the feet, are rarely covered with cloth; but are generally made of some hard wood such as walnut, highly polished.

ROBERT WRIGHT.

_Old Fogies_ (Vol. viii., p. 154.).--There may be too much of even a good thing, and I wish some of the writers in "N. & Q." would study compression a little. A short paragraph which I wrote, more in jest than earnest, on the above phrase, has drawn down on me no less than two columns from J. L. But this comes of meddling with Scotland.

One might fancy that J. L. was the Irish, not the Scottish advocate, for he proves the prior claim of Scotland by showing that the word which I had stated to have been in use in Dublin in the first half of the last century, was known in Edinburgh in the last half of it. He must also excuse my saying that he does not seem ever to have studied etymology, one of the rules of which is, that if a probable origin of a word can be found in the language to which it belongs, we should not seek elsewhere. Now _fogie_ (i.e. _folkie_, the Dutch _volkje_) comes as surely from _folk_, as _lassie_ from _lass_, or any other diminutive from its primitive. I now have done with the subject.

THOS. KEIGHTLEY.

_Swan-marks_ (Vol. viii., p 62.).--W. COLLYN'S remark on swan-marks may mislead; therefore it is worth noting that "the swan with two necks" is not "a corruption of the _private_ mark of the owner of the swans, viz. two nicks made by cutting the _neck feathers_ close in two places." The nicks were made in the _beak_; and the privilege of having swan-marks was by grant from the crown.

The Vintners' Company's mark for their swans on the Thames was two nicks; hence a two-nicked swan was a very appropriate sign for a tavern. The royal swans are marked with five nicks, two lengthwise, and three across the bill (See Hone's {257} _Every-day Book_, 1827, p. 963; Yarrell's _British Birds_; Jardine's _Nat. Lib._; _Penny Cyclop._, art. "Swan.") It is to be noted, however, that Hone is in error in saying the two nicks are the _royal_ swan-mark.

EDEN WARWICK.

Birmingham.

_Limerick, Dublin, and Cork_ (Vol. viii., p. 102.).--I should think the author of this doggrel couplet, if we are to consider it as a fair specimen of his poetic genius, may safely be permitted to remain in obscurity. Be that as it may, the lines are by no means new, nor are they confined to the sister isle alone. In the _Prophecies of Nixon_, the Cheshire Merlin, who lived nobody knows when, except that it was certainly a "long time ago," we are given to understand that:

"London streets shall run with blood,
And at last shall sink
So that it shall be fulfilled,
That Lincoln was, London is, and York shall be
The finest city of the three."

As I have just stated, the original date of these _Prophecies_ is somewhat involved in mystery; but I myself possess copies of three different editions published during the last century, the first of the three, purporting to be the sixth edition, bearing date London, 1719. A Life of Nixon, affixed to this edition, states him to have lived and prophesied in the reign of King James I.; at whose court, we are farther told, he was, in conformity with his own prediction, starved to death. His _Prophecies_ are, by the learned, held to be apocryphal; the country folk of Cheshire, on the contrary, have as much faith in them and their author as they have in the fact of their own existence.

T. HUGHES.

Chester.

_"Could we with ink," &c._ (Vol. viii., pp. 127. 180.).--I am surprised that none of your correspondents has referred to Smart, the translator of Horace, who has been frequently stated to be the writer of these lines, and I believe with truth.

E. H. D. D.

_Character of the Song of the Nightingale_ (Vol. vii., p. 397.; Vol. viii., p. 112.).--Although Milton seems to have generally used the epithet _solemn_ in its classical sense (as cleverly pointed out by MR. SYDNEY GEDGE), and meant to represent the nightingale as the _customary_ attendant of night, yet there is at least one passage where the epithet appears to me not to have this meaning; but to express that the song of the nightingale caused "a holy joy," and was heard not only in the day-time, but all through the night. For although Milton calls the nightingale "the night-warbling bird," and so makes it "the customary attendant of the night," yet he also elsewhere as truly speaks of it as a _day_ singer. The passage I referred to is in _Paradise Lost_, book vii., and seems to me to bear the meaning above spoken of; though MR. GEDGE may perhaps make "solemn" refer back to the last noun "even." And I confess that the meaning seems dubious:

"From branch to branch, the smaller birds with song
Solac'd the woods, and spread their painted wings
Till even; nor then the solemn nightingale
Ceas'd warbling, but all night tun'd her soft lays."

I can add one other epithet to the one hundred and nine which I have already given of the nightingale's song:

_Wond'ring._ Dryden ("Palamon and Arcite").

I may add, that Otway and Grainger (erroneously printed Graingle) appear to have used "solemn" in the ordinary meaning of the word.

CUTHBERT BEDE, B.A.

_Adamson's "Lusitania Illustrata"_ (Vol. viii., p. 104.).--Your correspondent W. M. M. may consult the following works with great advantage:

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E. H. A.

_Adamsoniana_ (Vol. vii., p. 500.; Vol. viii., p. 135.).--I was aware of the way in which the famous naturalist spelt his name, but supposed that Michel Ada_n_son and Michael Ada_m_son were the same, the former being merely the French mode of writing according to their pronunciation. I was also aware of the leading events in the naturalist's own career, but was desirous if possible of identifying his father: "the gentleman who, after firmly attaching himself to the Stuarts, left Scotland, and entered the service of the Archbishop of Aix."

Perhaps I may be more fortunate in obtaining some information respecting another Scot of the same name: James Adamson, for thirty-one years rector of Tigh, in Rutlandshire, who is described in the inscription upon his tombstone as "natu Scotus, Anglus vita, moribus antiquis, cum rege suo in prosperis et adversis." I believe he was the father of John Adamson, M.A., Rector Of Burton Coggles, in Lincolnshire: the author of two sermons; one published in 1698, and entitled _The Duty of Daily frequenting the Public Service_ {258} of the Church; another in 1707, being the _Funeral Sermon for Sir E. Turnor of Stoke Rochford_[6] (whose chaplain he was), a great promoter of pious and charitable undertakings. Can these sermons be now procured? Is anything further known respecting the author or his family?

E. H. A.

[Footnote 6: This sermon is in the British Museum.--ED.]

_Crassus' Saying_ (Vol. vii., p. 498.).--MR. EWART will not easily extract his English from the Latin, which is simply, "Fit salad for such lips."

S. Z. Z. S.

_Stanzas in "Childe Harold"_ (Vol. iv. _passim_).--This stanza has already occupied too many of your pages; will you, however, allow me to put a ryder on it, by referring your correspondents to Lord Byron's _own_ ignorance of the meaning of an expression in this stanza, expressed in a letter to Murray, published in Moore's _Life_, Letter 323, dated Venice, 24th September, 1818, when, after pointing out an error in the same canto, he says:

"What does 'thy waters _wasted_ them' mean? _That is not me._
Consult the MS. always."

And in a note by Moore on this letter, he says, "This passage retains _also_ uncorrected."

At the end of this letter Byron writes, "_I saw the canto by accident._" Query: If Byron only saw his cantos by "accident," would not a new edition of his works collated with his MSS. be "a consummation devoutly to be wished."

S. WMSON.

Glasgow.

_"Well's a fret"_ (Vol. viii., p. 197.).--This is one of a class which will be lost if not recorded. Forty years ago, in the West of England, and perhaps elsewhere, a servant, when teased by a child to know where such a person was, would answer--

"In his skin
When he jumps out, you may jump in."

The answer to _Eh_? was always _Straw_. I dare say more of these things will be produced. What ought they to be called?

M.

_Tenet or Tenent_ (Vol. vii., p. 205.).--We speak of the _tenets_ of a sect. Somewhat less than a century ago the formula would have been their _tenents_; and was not this the more correct?

BALLIOLENSIS.

_Mrs. Catherine Barton_ (Vol. iii., pp. 328. 434.).--When I answered the Query, I was not aware of what Baily states in the Supplement to Flamstead, p. 750. Rigaud ascertained for Baily that Mrs. C. B. (the title _Mistress_ being given at that period to marriageable young ladies) was not the _wife_, but the _sister_ of Colonel Barton. Both were the children of Hannah Smith, Newton's half-sister, and Robert Barton. Mrs. C. B. was born about 1680.

M.

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