Chapter C: W. G

_Ruffles, when worn_ (Vol. v., pp. 12. 139.).--Planché, in his _History of British Costume_, says that during the reign of Henry VIII., "the sleeves were _ruffed_, or _ruffled_ at the hand, as we perceive in the portrait of Henry. _They were not added to the shirt till the next century._"

R. S. F.

Perth.

_Long Meg of Westminster_ (Vol. ii., pp. 131. 172.; Vol. v., p. 133.).--As an instance of this title being applied (as Fuller has it) "to persons very tall," I subjoin the following notice of a death, which appeared in a newspaper of September, 1769:

"At London, Peter Branan, aged 104. He was six feet six inches
high, and was commonly called _Long Meg of Westminster_. He had
been a soldier from eighteen years of age."

This notice is extracted in the _Edinburgh Antiquarian Magazine_, but without mentioning the quarter from which it was taken.

R. S. F.

Perth.

_Family Likenesses_ (Vol. v., p. 7.).--To trace a family likeness for a century is not at all uncommon. Any one who knows the face of the present Duke of Manchester will see a strong likeness to his great ancestor, through six generations, the Earl of Manchester of the Commonwealth, as engraved in Lodge's _Portraits_. The following instance is more remarkable. Elizabeth Hervey was Abbess of Elstow in 1501. From her brother Thomas is descended, in a direct line, the present Marquis of Bristol. If any one will lay the portrait of Lord Bristol, in Mr. Gage Rokewode's _Thingoe Hundred_, by the side of the sepulchral brass of the Abbess of Elstow, figured in Fisher's _Bedfordshire Antiquities_, they cannot but be struck by the strong likeness between the two faces.

This is valuable evidence on the disputed point, whether portraits were attempted in sepulchral brasses.

VOKAROS.

"_A Roaring Meg_" (Vol. v., p. 105.).--In Ghent, in Flanders, there is still to be seen a wrought-iron gun, a sister of Mons Meg, the famous piece of artillery in Edinburgh Castle. She is named Dulle Griete, Mad Margery, or Margaret, and may possible be the elder sister after whom the rest of the family have been named.

NORTHMAN.

_Lyte Family_ (Vol. v., p. 78).--A painted window representing the arms of the Lytes, and the families with whom they intermarried for many generations, is in the little church of Angersleigh, near Taunton.

E. M.

_Nuremberg Token_ (Vol. v., p. 201).--The legend of H. C. K.'s medal seems to me to be the following:--

"Hans Kravwinkle in Nuremberg"

(the name of the issuer of the token).

"Gottes Reich bleibt ewig [_und_ understood] ewig?"

"The kingdom of God endures for ever and ever."

Possibly a tradesman's token.

G. H. K.

_The Old Countess of Desmond_ (Vol. iv., _passim._).--Your several correspondents whose able remarks have excited much interest with regard to this very extraordinary individual, appear to have overlooked the fact that a cabinet portrait by Rembrandt is to be seen in the collection of the Marquess of Exeter at Burleigh; the age, costume, &c., corresponding exactly with the description given by Pennant, as quoted by A. B. R.

KT.

_Pimlico_ (Vol. i., pp. 388. 474; Vol. ii., p. 13.)--I find the two following mentions of Pimlico as a public place of entertainment:

1. In _A Joviall Crew, or the Merry Beggars_, by R. Brome: first acted, 1641, at Drury Lane, edit. 1708:

"To Pimblicoe we'll go,
Where merry we shall be,
With every man a can in 's hand
And a wench upon his knee.
And a begging," &c.

2. Massinger's _City Madam_:

"Or exchange wenches,
Coming from eating pudding pies on a Sunday
At Pimlico or Islington."

G. H. K.

"_Wise above that which is written_" (Vol. v., p. 228.).--This phrase is evidently a quotation of 1 Cor. iv. 6., though not according to the authorised translation, the words in the original being μὴ ὑπὲρ ὃ γέγραπται φρονεῖν. Here, however, the verb cannot mean "to be wise," which is the meaning given to it in the phrase in question; for the context requires it to be taken (as in our version) in the sense of "elation of mind, to the despising of others."

The Query of R. C. C. reminds me of another phrase, which in a somewhat similar way one hears continually quoted in sermons, &c., as a text: viz. "that he that runs may read." I should like to know whether this strange perversion of Hab. ii. 2., which seems to be the source whence it is derived, can be accounted for in any way.

F. A.

_Sir John Cheke_ (Vol. v., p. 200.).--C. B. T. will find an account of Sir John Cheke in Harwood's _Alumni Etonenses_, under the head of "Provosts of King's College." I send also from an old MS. the following account; not being responsible for its accuracy, nor for the correctness of the references:

"Sir John Cheke put into the Provostship by Edward VI., April 1,
1548, though not qualified, as not of the Society, nor in orders.
See his _Life_ by Strype; Fuller, _Hist. Camb._, 119.; Burnet, ii.
115., who says that in consequence of the controversy with
Gardiner about the Gr. Pronuntiation he was either put from the
chair, or willingly left it. This was not the case. He did not
quit it till sent for by the King, as appears from the Life of his
successor, Nic. Carr, p. 59.; see, too, Wood _Hist. and Antiq._,
lib. i. p. 26. His mother stood godmother to the child of a poor
woman in Cambridge Gaol on suspicion of murder. (See Latimer's
_First Serm._ p. 125., edit. 1635; Burnet, ii. 213.; Wood, _Hist.
and Antiq._, I. ii. 251.; Burnet, ii. 51., and _App._ 150.;
Fuller, 29. 127.; and Fox, _Mart._; Burnet, ii. 155.; Burnet, ii.
8. 203.; _Benefices conferred on Laymen, Walker's Attempt_, ii.
68.; Wood, _Athen._, i. 111.) Burnet and Fuller's account of his
retiring on the King's death do not agree. For his works see Bale,
and his Life, by Dr. Gerard Langbaine, before a work of Cheke's,
_The True Subject to the Rebel, or the Hurt of Sedition_: Oxon,
1641, 4to. Haddon wrote his epitaph. See Ascham's _Letters_: Oxon,
1703, p. 436., about his recantation. See Leland's _Cygnea
Cantio_, 1558, p. 21.; and Preface to Hickes's _Thesaurus_, 1. 2."

J. H. L.

_Richard Earl of Chepstow_ (Vol. v., p. 204.).--H. C. K. will find in the _Conquest of Ireland_, by Giraldus Cambrensis, my authority for styling Richard Strongbow Earl of Chepstow: _e.g._ Dermod MacMurrough addresses a letter to him as follows: "Dermon MacMorogh, prince of Leinster, to Richard earle of Chepstoue, and son of Gilbert the Earle, greeting," &c. I quote from Hooker's translation, ed. 1587, p. 11. Hooker, in a note, p. 4., says that Chepstow in times past was named Strigulia, "whereof Richard Strangbow being earle, he took his name, being called _Comes_ Strigulensis."

H. C. K.'s _second_ conjecture, as to the parentage given to Earl Richard in the Ormonde charter, seems to be the correct one. I cannot call to mind an instance of a second Christian name used at so early a date.

The first coat given to the De Clares, in Berry's _Encycl._, viz. _ar. on a chief az. three crosses pattée fichée of the field_, occurs on the shield of the effigy in Christ Church Cathedral, Dublin, popularly said to be that of Richard Earl of Pembroke. Query, does Berry's statement rest on the authority of that tradition? if so, it has a very sandy foundation. I have very little doubt that the bearing visible on the shield, as represented on the earl's seal attached to the charter in possession of the Earl of Ormonde, is intended to represent _three chevrons_.

H. C. K. has my best thanks for his communication. I shall be still more obliged by an extract from the pedigree in his possession.

JAMES GRAVES.

Kilkenny.

_Maps of Africa_ (Vol. v., p. 236.).--If your correspondent, who inquires about maps of Africa, will consult the twenty-first map in Spruner's _Atlas Antiquus_, published at Gotha in 1850, I think he will find what he desires.

E. C. H.

_Lady Diana Beauclerk._--I have to thank you for inserting my memorandum respecting my miniature of Oliver Cromwell. I must further trespass on your kindness to correct an error (and a very inexcusable one) in my last statement, to which the kindness of a friend has called my attention.

Lady Diana Beauclerk was not, as I stated, a daughter of the Duke of St. Alban's, but of the Duke of Marlborough (Charles, second duke), and married the Hon. Topham Beauclerk, who was the friend of Dr. Johnson, and a well-known personage in his day.

The miniature therefore may have been "long" either in her own family, or in that of her husband; but I presume she meant in her own. The Churchills were as much connected with the "Stuarts" as afterwards with their successors. I regret this inattention on my part.