Chapter XII: Part I: Preliminary Survey of the Aft Facing Seated Position, Air (2)

I, Bernard D. Gildenberg, GS-14, (Ret), hereby state that James
McAndrew was identified as a Lieutenant, USAFR on this date at my
home and do hereby, voluntarily and of my own free will, make the
following statement. This was done without having been subjected to
any coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful inducement.

I became involved in high altitude balloon development while an
undergraduate student at New York University (NYU). Following
graduation I was hired by the Air Force at Holloman AFB and worked
continuously as both a meteorologist and aerospace engineer at
the Balloon Branch from 1951 until my retirement in 1981. My job
responsibilities were to forecast the weather and fly by remote
control, high altitude balloons for many different scientific
projects. During this time. I became internationally recognized as
an authority on high altitude balloon trajectory forecasting. I
have published numerous technical reports and articles.

The first project in which I was involved, while still an
undergraduate student at NYU, was the acoustical detection of
nuclear explosions. The name of the project, Mogul, was classified
and I didn’t know this name until several years ago. Based on
my experience with this project I am certain project Mogul was
responsible for some portions of what has become to be known as the
“Roswell Incident”.

Following project Mogul I was involved in perfecting high
altitude balloon technology and made many test flights with large
polyethylene balloons from Holloman AFB. I worked extensively on
atmospheric sampling projects and biological flights in which
the balloons lifted small animals to altitude for cosmic ray
experiments. I also worked on the Moby Dick Project that collected
meteorological data and the classified Gopher (119L) reconnaissance
project.

I was relied upon to forecast the weather, conduct climatological
studies, predict balloon trajectories, and to hit with precision,
ground targets both on and off the White Sands Missile Range.
Balloon trajectories in New Mexico below the tropopause, are
predominantly towards the east-northeast, when launched from
Holloman AFB with the exception of July and August when balloons
remained over the Holloman area. At high altitude, above the
tropopause, trajectories are generally westerly during the summer
and easterly during the spring, fall, and winter. As a result
these winds, the Holloman balloon branch recovered many, probably
hundreds, of balloons and scientific payloads from the Roswell, NM
area over the years.

During the time of the year when trajectories were to the east I
attempted to drop the equipment near accessible non mountainous
areas and paved roads. The main target area was the first large
north-south road on the other side of the Sacramento Mountains
from Holloman AFB, Highway 285. This road goes north and south
through Roswell. The standard procedure was to preposition military
recovery crews near the projected point of payload impact. The
crews consisted primarily of Air Force members in uniform and
they operated military vehicles. I often directed these crews to
“standby” along the shoulder of Highway 285, both north and south
of Roswell until the balloon was in position. The recovery crews
received detailed instructions from the tracking aircraft that led
them to the exact location of the payload. The recovery vehicle
included, depending on the mission, a crane, weapons carriers,
communications van, and occasionally tanker trucks to refuel the
aircraft that would sometimes land on nearby roads.

During the time of the year when balloon trajectories were to the
west, I attempted to drop the payloads in the Rio Grande Valley.
I also aimed for another valley, the flat area north of Truth or
Consequences that includes the Plains of San Augustin. In addition,
many remote balloon launch sites were located throughout the Rio
Grande Valley west of the White Sands Proving Grounds. Launch crews
were also mostly military and used much of the same equipment as
the recovery crews.

I had extensive involvement with Project 7218 that later became
Project 7222. This project studied the free-fall characteristics
of anthropomorphic dummies dropped from balloons from altitudes
up to 100,000 feet. The missions usually consisted of two dummies
attached to a suspension rack that I directed to be released at
altitude. Depending on the wind conditions and time of year, the
dummies, on many occasions, landed in the Roswell area. I recall
some difficulties in the release mechanisms of the dummies that
resulted in some of them free-falling to the ground while they were
still attached to the rack. Someone without a good vantage point
or not associated with the project might mistake these dummies for
“aliens” due to their odd flesh tones and abstract human features.

I also recall an accident involving a manned balloon flight. I
remember this event clearly because I am also a balloon pilot
and had an accident approximately two years before. The accident
occurred on a flight that Capt Joe Kittenger was “checking out”
two back up pilots for his high altitude missions. The balloon was
launched around midnight from behind the Balloon Branch at Holloman
AFB. I remember that some of the steel ballast used by the balloon
caused a “fireworks” display when it contacted some nearby power
lines during the launch. I was operating the control center for
this flight and I received notification from the communications
vehicle that was following the balloon that there had been an
accident north of Roswell. I later learned that the gondola had
rolled over during a practice touch and go landing and one of the
pilots had been struck in the head and injured. I recall speaking
to Capt Kittinger about the accident and I saw the injured pilot.
Although his injury was not serious, his head had considerable
swelling and he looked very odd.

I also worked with Capt Kittinger on Project Stargazer. I also had
met several times the civilian scientific advisor Dr. J. Allen
Hynek. Dr Hynek was thoroughly familiar with the balloon operations
at Holloman and visited the Balloon Branch numerous times. This
project experienced some difficulties and only one manned flight
was conducted.

Another project I was involved with was the Air Force
investigations of UFOs. Project Bluebook. Since I was a
meteorologist and amateur astronomer I evaluated, starting in 1951,
local sightings of UFOs. New Mexico had alot of sightings because
of the good visibility and the many experimental projects of the
White Sands Proving Grounds. During my time on Project Bluebook
there wasn’t any sightings that we could not explain. Nevertheless
popular literature still refers to some of these sightings as
unexplained.

Another project with which I was involved, was the NASA Voyager
and Viking Projects. These space vehicles were tested by launching
them from our balloons at extremely high altitude to simulate the
atmosphere of Venus and Mars. To utilize the instrumentation on
the White Sands Missile Range I elected to launch the balloons and
attached space vehicles from the Roswell Industrial Air Center,
formerly the Roswell Army Airfield. The Holloman Balloon Branch
made approximately eight launches of these two vehicles from
Roswell. In appearance the Viking and Voyager probes could be
mistaken for a flying saucer. They were both unclassified highly
publicized projects and I do not recall getting any UFO reports for
these flights. I believe one of these probes is on display at White
Sands Missile Range and its known as the “flying saucer”.

I am not part of any conspiracy to withhold or provide misleading
information to the United States Government or the American public.
There is no classified information that I am withholding related to
this inquiry and I have never been threatened by U.S. Government
persons concerning refraining from talking about this matter.

SIGNED: Subscribed and sworn before me, an
individual authorized to administer
oaths, this 25th day of May, 1995,
at

[Signature] [Signature]
Bernard D. Gildenberg, GS-14 (Ret) James McAndrew, 1st Lt. USAFR

WITNESS(s):

STATEMENT OF WITNESS

Place Date: 28 May 95

I, Ole Jorgeson, MSgt. USAF, (Ret), hereby state that James
McAndrew was identified as a Lieutenant, USAFR on this date at my
home and do hereby, voluntarily and of my own free will, make the
following statement. This was done without having been subjected to
any coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful inducement.

I enlisted in the U.S. Air Force in 1957 and became a Ground
Communications and Electronic Repairman. I remained in this career
field throughout my career. I completed three tours at the Balloon
Branch at Holloman AFB, NM. I retired from the Air Force in 1977 as
the NCOIC of the Communication and Instrumentation Section of the
Balloon Branch at Holloman AFB.

I recall an overnight balloon training mission that was conducted
in May, 1959. Capt Joe Kittinger was training back up pilots
for one of his upcoming projects. I was an airman assigned to
coordinate communications and to assist in the recovery of the
balloon upon completion of the mission. I followed the balloon in
an old Korean War vintage “crackerbox” ambulance that had been
converted into a communications van. Another airman and I followed
the balloon throughout the night on an easterly trajectory over the
Sacramento Mountains to an area north of Roswell. Also following
the balloon were recovery technicians in a weapons carrier. We
stayed in contact with the balloon crew by radio and also observed
flares the crew would light at various intervals so we could
visually track them. Just after sunrise I recall the balloon
landing north of Roswell and Capt Kittinger offered me some coffee
and told me he was going to make one more touch and go landing to
complete the mission. I remember that I took some photographs of
the balloon and waited for the last landing. Several minutes later
I remember hearing a “bang”, this was the squib that fired to
release the gondola from the balloon. We immediately went to where
the gondola landed and saw the gondola laying on its side and saw
two of the pilots standing and one lying down. Lying on the ground
was a shattered helmet that was worn by one of the pilots. Capt
Kittinger told me they were attempting to land to avoid some power
lines and a row of trees.

Soon after I arrived at the crash site, a helicopter that was also
following the flight landed and transported the three aircrew
members to Walker AFB for medical attention. I recall I assisted
the recovery technicians load the balloon and the gondola on the
weapons carrier and then drove 15 to 20 minutes to the hospital
at Walker AFB. When I arrived at Walker, we parked the converted
ambulance near the hospital and either the other airman with me
or the recovery technicians called the balloon control center to
notify them of the accident. I recall waiting near the hospital
for a short period of time and then returning to Holloman AFB.
During the time I was waiting at the hospital I did not observe
any arguments or altercations. I did not observe Capt Kittinger
speaking disrespectfully to anyone. I also do not recall any male
civilians or any vehicles that belonged to a mortuary.

I participated in many, probably more than 100, balloon recoveries.
I often recovered payloads and balloons from the area surrounding
Roswell, NM. It was routine to be directed by the balloon control
center to an area near Roswell to wait to recover a balloon. We
would wait along the side of the road, at small airports, or at
the armory in Roswell. It would not be uncommon for our recovery
vehicles to be seen waiting to recover balloons throughout New
Mexico, Arizona, and West Texas. When we recovered the balloons
and payloads sometimes civilians would be in the area and make
inquires. We would tell them what we were doing and provide them
with a telephone number at Holloman AFB if they wanted to report
any damages. We were required to clean up the area and remove all
debris before we left. In addition to the recoveries, I recall
making balloon launches from sites up and down the Rio Grande
Valley. I remember that some of these launches were made from an
area west of Soccoro, NM.

Another project I participated in was the testing of the Viking
space probe in 1972. These four launches were all made from the
Roswell Industrial Air Center, the former Roswell Army Airfield.
Approximately twenty Air Force personnel were on temporary duty to
Roswell throughout the summer of 1972 to support this project. NASA
personnel prepared the spacecraft for launch from the old hangers
of the former Air Force base. This project was not classified and
was covered by the news media.

I am not part of any conspiracy to withhold or provide misleading
information to the United States Government or the American public.
There is no classified information that I am withholding related to
this inquiry and I have never been threatened by U.S. Government
persons concerning refraining from talking about this matter.

SIGNED: Subscribed and sworn before me, an
individual authorized to administer
oaths, this 25th day of May, 1995,
at

[Signature] [Signature]
Ole Jorgesen, MSgt, USAF, (Ret) James McAndrew, 1st Lt, USAFR

WITNESS(s):

STATEMENT OF WITNESS

Place Date: 28 October 1996

I, William C. Kaufman, Lt. Col., USAF (Ret), hereby voluntarily and
of my own free will, make the following statement. This was done
without coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful inducement.

I was drafted into the Army of the United States in 1943,
transferred to the Army Air Forces, and was commissioned as a pilot
in 1944. From 1950 until 1967, with a break for training for a
combat tour in Korea and for educational assignments to AFIT, I was
assigned to the Aero Medical Laboratory at Wright Patterson AFB,
OH. During that time I was a physiological training officer and
worked in the development of early pressure suits. I tested many
high altitude pilots and also the first group of astronauts. Later
during my Air Force career, in 1961, I earned a Ph.D. in Physiology
and Biophysics. I was assigned to the Aero Medical Laboratory for
three tours and retired in 1968 as the Chief of the Biodynamics
Branch of the Aero Medical Field Laboratory at Holloman AFB, NM.

During my third assignment at Wright Patterson, I volunteered,
along with Capt Dan Fulgham, to be a backup pilot for Capt Joe
Kittinger for his high altitude balloon project, Project Excelsior.
Capt Kittinger instructed Capt Fulgham and me in ballooning in May
1959. At the end of an overnight training flight, on the morning
of May 21, 1959, northwest of Roswell, NM, we (Kittinger, Fulgham
and I) had an accident with the balloon. We were practicing touch
and go landings when a severe gust of wind overturned the gondola,
dumping all of us to the ground with the gondola on top of us.
The accident occurred in a small pasture where a pony was grazing
next to a small cottage. For safety, we were followed during hours
of darkness by a C-131 aircraft and during the day by a H-21
helicopter. We were followed the entire time by technicians in a
truck for communications and for the recovery of the balloon and
gondola. Seeing the accident, the crews of the helicopter and the
recovery trucks came to our assistance, much to the dismay of the
farmer who owned the pony, which had run away when the truck broke
down the fence to reach the crash site. I recall that a member of
the helicopter crew attempted to calm the farmer.

Capt Fulgham sustained an injury to the forehead when the lip of
the gondola struck him. Capt Fulgham thought he had fractured
his skull but the experimental helmet he was wearing apparently
protected him. Capt Kittinger was bleeding from a cut on the face.
I was beneath Fulgham and Kittinger and unhurt. Fulgham was loaded
into the helicopter and we were taken to the nearest hospital,
at Walker AFB, in Roswell. I recall the helicopter pilot called
the air traffic control tower at Walker and informed them we were
inbound with an injured pilot from a balloon accident. This was
quite unusual and I believe the tower personnel might have thought
we were a surprise Strategic Air Command inspection team that at
the direction of the SAC Commander, Gen. Curtis E. LeMay, sometimes
made unannounced visits by helicopter. We landed in front of the
tower and were met by an ambulance along with a detail of military
police with machine guns. The military police escorted us to the
hospital for treatment and to verify our story of the balloon crash.

While Capt Fulgham and Capt Kittinger were being treated I was
asked to explain to the Walker AFB Base Commander what had
happened. After Capt Kittinger was treated he called Col Stapp from
a phone adjacent to the waiting room were numerous military wives
were waiting for pre-natal care. Capt Kittinger, as the project
officer, was concerned what effect this accident might have on the
future of his program. As we waited for Fulgham, Kittinger paced up
and down the hall concerned about Fulgham and getting out of the
hospital before Walker AFB officials might complicate matters. I
do not recall any male civilians in the hospital, nor do I recall
Capt Kittinger being involved in an altercation of any kind. Capt
Kittinger did not shout or use obscene language, he was simply
interested in getting medical attention for Fulgham and leaving as
soon as possible. I do recall that one or two nurses were present.
I do not recall a black NCO accompanying Kittinger while we were in
the hospital.

When the medical personnel were finished treating Fulgham, all
three of us returned to Holloman AFB by helicopter about noon the
same day. The following day I took my FAA exam and was awarded a
balloon pilot license. Three days later, on Sunday, Kittinger,
Fulgham and I returned to Wright Patterson via a special C-131
flight. Fulgham looked very odd with two black eyes and protruding
forehead; his head was so swollen he could not wear his uniform hat
for some time. I later worked with Capt Kittinger on the Stargazer
project and and occasionally flew aircraft with him.

During my entire time at the Aero Medical Laboratory I neither
saw nor heard anything that would lead me to believe that the Air
Force was keeping “aliens” at Wright Patterson. I knew there was a
project on UFOs called Bluebook, at the base, but to my knowledge
the Aero Medical Laboratory was not involved. Many scientific
accomplishments came out of the various laboratories at Wright
Patterson but I am unaware of any that might have involved aliens
or UFOs.

I am not part of any conspiracy to withhold or provide misleading
information to the United States Government or the American public.
There is no classified information that I am withholding related to
this inquiry and I have never been threatened by U.S. Government
persons concerning refraining from talking about this matter.

This is as I recollect those events.

SIGNED:

[Signature]
William C. Kaufman, LtCol. USAFC (Ret)

WITNESS(s):
[Signature: Patricia A. Kaufman]

STATEMENT OF WITNESS

Place Date: 24 June 95

I, Joseph W. Kittinger. Jr., Col. USAF (Ret), hereby state that
James McAndrew was identified as a Lieutenant, USAFR on this
date at my home and do hereby, voluntarily and of my own free
will, make the following statement. This was done without having
been subjected to any coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful
inducement.

I entered the U.S. Air Force in 1949 as an Aviation Cadet. From
1950 to 1953 I flew fighters in Europe before being assigned to the
Fighter Test Section at Holloman AFB, NM in July, 1953. During my
tour as a test pilot I conducted the first zero gravity tests and
was the balloon pilot of the first Project Man High high altitude
research mission. In 1958 I was assigned to the Escape Section of
the Aero Medical laboratory at Wright Patterson AFB, OH. During
this tour I was the Project Officer of Project Excelsior and made
three high altitude parachute jumps, the highest from 102,800 feet,
which today remains a world record. For these jumps I was awarded
the Hannon Trophy for 1960 by President Eisenhower. Following
Excelsior, I was the Project Officer of Stargazer, a project that
made astronomical observations from a high altitude balloon. I
flew two combat tours in Southeast Asia with the Air Commandos. I
later flew a tour in F-4s and was the Squadron Commander of the 555
Tactical Fighter Squadron. I accumulated over 1,000 combat flying
hours and I am credited with one aerial victory. I spent ten months
as a POW in Hanoi. Upon my return I attended Air War College, flew
F-4s and retired from the Air Force in 1978. In 1984 I became the
first person to make a solo crossing of the Atlantic by balloon.

In 1958 I was made the Project Officer of Excelsior by Col John
Paul Stapp, the Aero Medical Laboratory Commander. I supervised
and was actively involved in the dropping and recovery of
anthropomorphic dummies from high altitude balloons at Holloman
AFB, NM for this project. We also dropped dummies, from aircraft
only, at Wright-Patterson AFB, OH. The object of the Holloman tests
were to study the free fall characteristics of dummies dropped from
balloons at altitudes of 50,000 to 100,000 feet. Based on this data
we designed a parachute that stabilized the dummies and I later
used this parachute on my three high altitude jumps.

The balloons carrying the dummies were launched from various
locations in New Mexico and often impacted off of the White Sands
Proving Ground depending on the wind conditions. The dummies were
outfitted with clothing and equipment of an Air Force pilot. The
facial features of the dummies were not as pronounced as a human.
The ears and noses did not protrude. I do not recall any dummies
with ears or noses. Some of the dummies were not complete; they
sometimes did not have arms or legs. To someone not associated with
the project or who viewed the dummies from a distance, they could
appear to be human or with some imagination a space “alien.” In
fact, I recall one incident at Wright-Patterson where one of our
dummies landed near the backyard of Gen. Rawlings, Commander of
the Air Research and Development Command. Gen. Rawling’s wife was
entertaining officer’s wives that afternoon when one of our dummy’s
parachute failed to deploy and impacted the ground in full view of
the ladies at Gen. Rawling’s home. I acted quickly to retrieve the
dummy and went to the impact site and recovered it by throwing it
in the back of a pickup truck and quickly driving away. Later that
day I received a call from Col Stapp who informed me that some of
the women at the party believed that the dummy was a human and they
were appalled to see the careless nature in which the obviously
dead or injured “parachutist” was hauled away.

At Holloman AFB recoveries of the dummies were handled by the
Balloon Branch but members of my project team, including myself,
often assisted. The standard procedure was to track the dummy
both from the ground and air to attempt to recover the dummies
in a timely manner. On the ground we used an assortment of Air
Force vehicles to track and recover not only the dummies but also
other scientific balloon payloads. We used trucks, communications
vans, converted field ambulances, cranes, and trailers. In the
air we used helicopters, C-47s transports, and L-19 and L-20
light observation aircraft. On occasion civilians would observe
our recovery operations. We often attracted a crowd due to the
odd appearance of the balloon payloads and dummies and also the
aircraft that circled overhead or landed on nearby roads. We also
used many of the same procedures and equipment to launch from off
range locations. During the recoveries weapons were not carried
because there was no classified information or equipment. I do not
recall any altercations of any kind. At no time did I or any of the
personnel makes threats against civilians. We always attempted to
maintain good relations with the local civilians and explained the
purpose of the project to them if they asked. We were directed to
remove as much of the material dropped by the balloon as possible.
Sometimes this was difficult because the balloon and pay load would
break apart and cover a large area. We collected the debris in
these cases by “fanning out” across a field until we had collected
even very small portions of the payload and balloon. We were
particularly careful to recover the large plastic balloons because
cattle would ingest the material and the ranchers would file claims
against the government. Additionally, there were reward notices
that offered twenty five dollars for the return of the equipment
attached to each of the balloons. I wrote a book, _The Long, Lonely
Leap_ (E. P. Dutton & Co., 1961), that completely describes Project
Excelsior and my participation.

Also as a part of the high altitude balloon projects, I trained
balloon pilots in May 1959 at the request of Col Stapp. Col Stapp
was concerned that I might be injured as a result of the hazardous
nature of the projects and he wanted backup pilots to be trained.
The backup pilots, Capt Dan Fulgham and Capt Bill Kaufman were
volunteers from the Aero Medical Laboratory and they were sent to
Holloman from Wright-Patterson for training on a temporary duty
basis. On our second training flight, Fulgham, Kaufman and I, flew
an overnight mission that was launched at Holloman and ended with
a crash northwest of Roswell, NM. We were followed on this mission
by an aircraft at night, a helicopter during the day, and a ground
crew in trucks at all times.

I recall that just after sunrise the weather had deteriorated and I
directed Fulgham to land the balloon in a small field. This was the
last suitable field before we would overfly the City of Roswell. I
remember approaching the field just over the trees and I recall our
forward velocity was about 10–12 knots, a little fast for landing.
When we touched down Fulgham cut the balloon away and due to the
forward velocity the gondola flipped over spilling all three of us
on the ground. While lying on the ground I realized that Fulgham
was injured and Kaufman and I raised the gondola. Fulgham had been
struck in the head by the edge of the gondola and I could see the
blood rapidly accumulating under his scalp in the forehead area. We
treated him for shock and soon the recovery vehicles and the chase
helicopter arrived. I decided to transport Fulgham by helicopter to
the hospital at nearby Walker AFB.

When we arrived at Walker I remember that security was tight, as
it was at all Strategic Air Command bases, and we were closely
scrutinized by security personnel due to the unusual circumstances
and early hour of our arrival. I had two concerns once we arrived
at the hospital, first to get treatment for Fulgham and second
to leave as soon as possible. After I was assured that Fulgham’s
injuries were not serious I wanted to quickly leave the base before
the Walker AFB Flying Safety Officer arrived to fill out an
accident report. I didn’t want a report filed because an accident
investigation would bring unwanted scrutiny to the project. Even
though the project was unclassified I did not want any publicity or
premature releases of information.

Although Fulgham’s injuries were not serious, his head had swollen
considerably—both eyes were black and his face had swollen so
much you could barely see his nose. I believe that if someone saw
him while we were at Walker they would have been startled. When
his treatment was completed we all three returned to Holloman on
the helicopter. At Holloman, Fulgham was admitted to the hospital
and I made preparations for him to return to his duty station at
Wright-Patterson AFB. Due to his grotesque appearance, I did not
want Fulgham to fly on a commercial airline. I made arrangements
for all of us to fly to Wright-Patterson on a C-131 a few days
later. When we arrived at Wright-Patterson, I assisted Fulgham down
the steps of the aircraft because his eyes were swollen shut and
he could not see. His wife was waiting at the bottom of the steps
of the aircraft and she asked me where her husband was. I replied
“this is your husband” and she screamed and began to cry.

While I was at the Walker AFB hospital, I do not recall any contact
with a male civilian. I certainly did not call anyone an “SOB”
or speak to anyone in a disrespectful manner. I did not make any
threats or instruct anyone else to make threats. I recall nurses
in the hospital but I am not certain if they participated in the
treatment of Capt Fulgham. I was not accompanied by a black NCO at
the hospital, but there may have been a black NCO on the balloon
recovery team. I recall no body bags in the hospital and I am sure
there were no “aliens” at the hospital, just Dan Fulgham with a
very odd looking head injury.

I was also involved in the joint Air Force, Navy, and Massachusetts
Institute of Technology astronomical observation project, Project
Stargazer. The object of this project was to make observations via
a stabilized telescope mounted atop of a gondola suspended from
a high altitude balloon. I was the USAF project officer and Dr
J. Allen Hynek was the scientific advisor. I worked very closely
with Dr Hynek over a period of five years from 1958 to 1963. Dr
Hynek would typically spend a half day working on Stargazer and
then the rest of the day participating as one of the consultants
on the UFO study, Project Bluebook, that was also conducted at
Wright-Patterson AFB. Dr Hynek, as the scientific advisor to
Stargazer, was very familiar with the techniques and capabilities
of the Air Force high altitude balloon program. Dr Hynek once
approached me and we discussed at length, the possibility that
Air Force high altitude balloons were responsible for many UFO
sightings. We ended the conversation in agreement that the
balloons probably accounted for many of the UFO sightings. In
other conversations Dr Hynek always gave me the impression that
there were very few UFO sightings that could not be explained by
good scientific investigation. At no time did Dr Hynek mention
or discuss the alleged “Roswell Incident”. I was therefore
“flabbergasted” when Dr Hynek appeared to believe that some of
these sightings were of an extraterrestrial origin.

I am not part of any conspiracy to withhold or provide misleading
information to the United States Government or the American public.
There is no classified information that I am withholding related to
this inquiry and I have never been threatened by U.S. Government
persons concerning refraining from talking about this matter.

SIGNED: Sworn to and subscribed before me,
an individual authorized to administer
oaths, this 25th day of May, 1995,
at

[Signature] [Signature]
Joseph W. Kittinger, Jr., Col, USAF (Ret) James McAndrew, 1st Lt. USAFR

WITNESS(s):

[Signature: Sherry Kittinger]

STATEMENT OF WITNESS

Place Date: 31 May 95

I, Roland H. Lutz, CMSgt, USAF, (Ret), hereby state that James
McAndrew was identified as a Lieutenant, USAFR on this date at my
home and do hereby, voluntarily and of my own free will, make the
following statement. This was done without having been subjected to
any coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful inducement.

I enlisted in the U.S. Navy in 1947 and transferred to the U.S. Air
Force in 1958. In June, 1958 I was assigned to the flight surgeon’s
office at Holloman AFB, NM as an Aero Medical Technician. I served
several tours in Southeast Asia and retired from the Air Force in
1974 as an Aero Medical Superintendent.

On May 20–21, 1959 I was assigned to provide medical coverage for a
balloon training mission that took off from Holloman AFB and ended
with a crash near Roswell, NM. Capt Joe Kittinger was training
two other pilots, Capt Fulgham and Capt Kaufman. I followed the
balloon in an ambulance during the night and at daybreak I followed
the balloon in an H-21 helicopter. Just after daybreak I saw the
balloon crash and the three pilots were dumped form the gondola.
I immediately informed the helicopter pilot and we landed in a
field on which cattle were grazing. I recall the rancher was upset
because the helicopter was frightening his cattle and some cattle
had gotten out of the field.

I assesed the injuries to the pilots and recommended they be taken
immediately to the closest hospital which was at Walker AFB,
apprximately 5 to 10 minutes away by helicopter. Capt Fulgham’s
head was swelling due to a hemotoma he received when the gondola
struck him. Capt Kittinger was cut on the face and was bleeding.
Capt Kaufman was uninjured. At Walker I remember a telephone
conversation with a flight surgeon who told me to “go home and
sleep it off”. He apparently did not believe my story of three
Air Force pilots that were victims of a balloon crash. However,
I was able to convince him and he treated Capt Fulgham and Capt
Kittinger. While at the hospital Capt Fulgham’s head had swelled
enormously and his eyes were beginning to turn black.

I do not recall that anything unusual occurred at the hospital
at Walker. I remember the three pilots sitting on a bench in
the hallway waiting to be treated. I do not remember that Capt
Kittinger was involved in an altercation with anyone while at the
hospital, if he had, I would have known about it. Capt Kittinger
was concerned with getting medical treatment for his injured crew
member, Capt Fulgham, and returning to Holloman. I also do not
recall a black NCO accompanying Capt Kittinger while we were at
the hospital. I do not remember a nurse assisting in the treatment
of Capt Fulgham or Capt Kittinger. I also do not remember a male
civilian or any personnel or vehicles from a mortuary, and I do not
recall any remains in body bags in the hospital.

I was present the entire time when the events described here took
place. I am certain that this event had nothing to do with “space
aliens” or any other irregular activity that would require a cover
up. It was a balloon crash and nothing else.

I am not part of any conspiracy to withhold or provide misleading
information to the United States Government or the American public.
There is no classified information that I am withholding related to
this inquiry and I have never been threatened by U.S. Government
persons concerning refraining from talking about this matter.

SIGNED: Subscribed and sworn before me, an
individual authorized to administer
oaths, this 25th day of May, 1995,
at

[Signature] [Signature]
Roland H. Lutz, CMSgt, USAF, James McAndrew, 1st Lt, USAFR
(Ret)

WITNESS(s):

[Signature]
Harry C. Aderholt, Brig. Gen., USAF (Ret)

STATEMENT OF WITNESS

Place Date: 20 June 95

I, Raymond A. Madson, Lt Col, USAF (Ret), hereby state that James
McAndrew was identified as a Lieutenant, USAFR on this date at my
place of employment and do hereby, voluntarily and of my own free
will, make the following statement. This was done without having
been subjected to any coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful
inducement.

I was born, raised, and presently reside in New Mexico. I graduated
from New Mexico A&M College in 1954. I entered the Air Force in
1955 and was assigned a short time later to the Aero Medical
Laboratory at Wright Patterson AFB, OH. At the Aero Medical
Laboratory I was assigned to the Escape Section as a project
officer and test parachutist. During this time I also had extensive
participation in various aspects of the space program and worked
on the highly classified U-2 project. I served a tour of duty in
Alaska and at the School of Aerospace Medicine at Brooks AFB,
TX, before being reassigned to the Aero Medical Laboratory at
Wright Patterson. I retired in from the Air Force in 1979 and I am
currently and Environmental Specialist for the State of New Mexico.

The first project that I was assigned at Wright Patterson was
Project 7218, later changed to Project 7222. This project was first
known by the name High Dive and then was known as Excelsior. The
object of this project was to study the free fall characteristics
of anthropomorphic dummies from balloons at altitudes of 50,000
to 100,000 feet. Following satisfactory dummy drops, Capt Joe
Kittinger made a series of high altitude parachute jumps that
culminated with a jump from 102,800 feet.

I assumed the duties of Project Officer for the dummy drops in the
spring of 1956. I made numerous trips to Holloman AFB, NM, the
site of the drops, from 1956 until the end of the project in 1959
(dummies were also dropped for this project at Wright Patterson
AFB by personnel from the Parachute Branch). I wrote two technical
reports that described the project in considerable detail. The
type of anthropomorphic dummy used primarily was manufactured by
Alderson Laboratories but we also used Sierra Manufacturing type
dummies. Both of these dummies are shown in the technical reports.
The Alderson dummy had facial features that were not life-like
and ears that were not well defined. The dummies were outfitted
with flight suits of various colors, fuchsia, olive drab, and sage
green (a shade of gray). We chose the Alderson dummy because it was
relatively inexpensive as compared to the Sierra dummy.

We encountered considerable difficulty dropping the dummies from
the balloons. I designed the rack that suspended the dummies, two
at a time, from the balloon. On numerous occasions the dummies were
fouled during the release sequence and the dummy rode a “streamer”
all the way to the ground. Other times malfunctions occurred that
caused the two dummies and the entire rack assembly to descend to
the ground as one package. Both of these instances are described in
the technical reports.

I participated in at least two dummy recoveries. The meteorologist
from the Balloon Branch, Duke Gildenberg, would determine the best
place to launch the balloons depending on the prevailing weather
conditions. Duke also predicted, with considerable accuracy,
where the dummies would impact. I specifically recall a dummy I
recovered near the Jornada test range, between Leasburg and Organ,
NM. During this recovery I drove a weapons carrier and I was only
able to locate one of the dummies. I never found out what happened
to the other one. The next recovery I remember was on a ranch just
southwest of Roswell. We were given directions to the area by the
balloon branch personnel who had been contacted by a rancher. The
equipment had reward notices taped to them to aid in recovery. We
went to the Smith ranch. I remember the name because I went to New
Mexico A&M with the rancher. I knew him as Smitty. We searched that
day from horseback and could not find the dummies. The following
day we resumed our search from horseback and again could not
find the dummies. I also recall that Smitty asked us for some of
the parachute material so he could make a shirt. We dropped many
dummies from the balloons and I know many were not immediately
recovered, but most were.

I served for twenty five years in the Air Force and most of those
years were in the aero medical field. I participated in the space
program and the highly classified early stages of U-2 program.
Never during this time were “aliens” or “flying saucers” a part of
any project. There were, however, countless achievements by the
Air Force in aerospace medicine that were the result of dedicated
scientific research. It seems likely to me that someone could have
mistaken our anthropomorphic dummies for something that they were
not.

I am not part of any conspiracy to withhold or provide misleading
information to the United States Government or the American public.
There is no classified information that I am withholding related to
this inquiry and I have never been threatened by U.S. Government
persons concerning refraining from talking about this matter.

SIGNED: Sworn to and subscribed before me,
an individual authorized to administer
oaths, this 25th day of May, 1995,
at

[Signature] [Signature]
Raymond A. Madson, Lt Col, James McAndrew, 1st Lt, USAFR
USAF (Ret)

WITNESS(s):

STATEMENT OF WITNESS

Date: 25 April 1996 Place: Aztec, NM

I Frank B. Nordstrom, M. D., hereby state that James McAndrew,
was identified as a Captain, USAFR on this date at my home and do
hereby, voluntarily and of my own free will, make the following
statement. This was done without having been subjected to any
coercion, unlawful influence or unlawful inducement.

I was on active duty in the US Air Force and stationed at Walker
AFB, Roswell, NM from July 1951 until June 1953. During that time I
was a pediatrician assigned to the base hospital. Following my tour
of duty with the Air Force I attended the University of Colorado as
a resident in pediatrics. In July 1954 I relocated to Farmington,
NM and began a private pediatric practice. I retired from private
practice in 1987 and became the Medical Director of the San Juan
Regional Medical Center, which is also located in Farmington, NM.
In 1989 I retired from that position and presently reside in Aztec,
NM.

I have been shown two transcripts of interviews where an individual
named Glenn Dennis described conversations and visits he claims
he had with a pediatrician in the late 1940s or early 1950s in
Farmington, NM. According to these interviews, Mr Dennis also
claims that this pediatrician had previously served at the hospital
at Walker AFB/Roswell AAF. Since I am the only physician in
Farmington, NM who previously served at the Walker AFB/Roswell
AAF hospital, I believe I am the person he is referring to in
these interviews. I am confident of this because I know I was the
first pediatrician to practice in Farmington, which when I arrived
in 1954, was a small community of approximately 8,000 people. I
remained the sole pediatrician there for approximately 20 years and
I know most, if not all, of the physicians in the area.

Even though I believe I am the person Mr Dennis referred to in the
interviews, I do not remember him. I can state with reasonable
certainty that I cannot recall any conversations with him, and he,
to my knowledge, never visited me in Farmington, NM, in Colorado,
or anyplace else. I have been told, however, that a person named
Glenn Dennis operated a drugstore in the late 1950s-early 1960s,
just outside Farmington, in Aztec, NM. But I do not recall any
contact with him there either.

While I was stationed at Walker AFB, I do not recall any incidents
that may explain the information Mr Dennis provided in the
interviews. To my knowledge there was only one fatal aircraft
accident during my tour of duty and that accident involved a Walker
AFB based aircraft in the United Kingdom. I was not involved in any
aspect of that accident. I also do not recall any other incidents
such as automobile accidents or house fires that may be the source
of this information. Nor do I recall a nurse named Lt Naiomi Selff
or a nurse named Capt “Slats” Wilson. While at Walker AFB I did not
witness or hear rumors of anything that involved flying saucers,
aliens, or anything else of an extraterrestrial nature.

I am not part of a conspiracy to withhold information from either
the US government or the American public, there is no classified
information that I am withholding related to this inquiry and I
have not been threatened by US government persons concerning not
talking about this matter.

SIGNED: Sworn to and subscribed before me,
an individual authorized to administer
oaths, this 25th day of April 1996 at
Aztec, NM

[Signature] [Signature]
Frank B. Nordstrom, M.D. James McAndrew, Capt, USAFR

WITNESS:

Appendix C

Transcript of Interview with
Gerald Anderson[*]
Alleged firsthand witness to
“Crash Site” Two
(allegedly 175 miles northwest of Roswell)

[*] Excerpted from raw footage used to prepare the video,
_Recollections of Roswell Part II_, (Washington, D.C.: Fund for UFO
Research, 1993).

A: We drove down to the Plains of San Agustin which is west of Socorro, New Mexico in the Magdalena, Datil, area. We were down there looking for banded and moss agate, which according to my uncle Ted and my cousin Victor was prevalent in the area. My brother being an amateur rock hound had wanted to get some of this. That was a way of showing us around the area. They had relatives down in Magdalena that they wanted to introduce us to.

So we had gone down there and we got down in the Horse Springs area and had driven off onto the plains down an old rutted road for, oh, a mile or so and it seemed like a long ways. We parked the car, got out of the car and walked down a hillside.

There’s a semi-forest, I guess you could say. It had pinon trees and scrub oak and stuff like that on it and we walked—well, not scrub oak, but cedar—and walked down the hillside into an arroyo, a dry wash, and then walked south down a dry wash toward where the agates were supposed to be at.

As we came around a bend in the arroyo that had pinon and cedar trees growing, we were able to see farther ahead down the arroyo and on the next ridge line there was a large silver disc shaped object was embedded in this side of the ridge line ... there was debris and wreckage strewn about the area mainly this thing was intact. I would estimate its size from an adult perspective to something like 35 feet in diameter. I’ve heard other people who were there say they thought it was like 50 feet. But as an adult, I would say about 35 feet in diameter, quite large. When we got up to it there were four bodies there ... not human, there was two of them that were obviously dead, one of them was obviously very badly injured, and one of them apparently suffered no ill effects ... or it didn’t appear to be injured and was ambulatory, was mobile. It was just setting there next to the one...

Q: Were they right next to the vehicle?

A: Right next to it. Right under the edge of it. And this craft had apparently come in from the east and bounced off one ridge line, plowing through this arroyo area and then crashed into the ridge line and embedded itself. They were sitting back under the edge, it was kind of tilted up like this and they were sitting back under the edge here. And I’m assuming that this one creature that was all right had laid this material on the ground but it looked like unrolled tinfoil that these other three creatures were laying on. Like it was trying—like you do a person in shock, you know, a put him on a blanket, that kind of thing. And apparently it had some boxes there around it and had apparently been trying to give first aid or help these other creatures when we first got there.

As we approached, the creature drew back like this, like it was in fear, like we were going to hurt it. And it wasn’t very long, you know, we were trying to communicate with it, the adults were. It seemed to calm down and just sat there and kind of looked back and forth, watching them, apparently trying to figure out what was going on...

Q: What did it look like, a little bit more.

A: These creatures, all of them, were, oh, about four foot tall, four and a half feet tall. They had very large heads that were shaped larger on the top and they kind of tapered down, not to a real sharp point but just tapered down where they were thin. And they had very large, very large, oval shaped or almond shaped, I guess you could say, black eyes. The head... They were so shiny, they had almost a bluish tint to them when the light reflected off of them. Their skin coloration, the best way that I could describe that is it was kind of a bluish tinted milky-white. It looked like someone in shock. And the ones that were laying on the ground were really—really looked more that way, more blue in the light, you know...

Q: How about ears, nose, mouth?

A: No, there were no visible ears on the creatures except like—if you was just to cover your ear like this to where there was just a rise there and then a hole without, you know, your ear lobe and the rest of the area...

Q: How about nose?

A: It was—the nose was very, very small, almost imperceptible. It’s like two holes, straight in; and the lips were just a straight line. It was like a cut and you couldn’t see, just the lips like we have, it was just a slit. And...

Q: What hair color? Sound?

A: Pardon?

Q: What hair color?

A: There was no hair. They were completely bald.

Q: And no sounds?

A: I never heard a sound one, not out of any of the creatures including the one that was...

Q: Did you see fingers?

A: Yes, they had fingers like this. They didn’t have a little finger. They just had the thumb and three extra digits except the center digit was longer and the other two were about the same size. They were very long and slender and looked very delicate and I made the statement before and I’ll make it again, I think he would have made an excellent violinist because of the structure of their hands.

They were wearing one piece suits. All of them were dressed exactly the same. It was sort of a real shiny silverish gray color.

Q: No zippers, buttons?

A: No, I saw no zippers, no buttons.

Q: Insignias?

A: No, no insignias. The only thing that was different, you know, and they all had this, but the only that was different from the silvery gray thing, the suit, was that down like a seam line, like there was a seam on his shoulder and around the collar it was trimmed in what appeared to be maroon, like cording.

Then the suits were continuous with their footwear. We could see right this area down, it seemed to be less pliable then it was up here, like this was a stiffer area, like they were boots or shoes or something. But they were all dressed exactly the same.

Q: Okay. So you and your family are talking back and forth, wondering what was going on, what did your family say? I mean...

A: Well...

Q: ...did they say anything?

A: Yes, my brother, one of his first remarks I heard him say him say, “That’s a god damn spaceship.” You know there were bodies up there and, you know, I was told not to go up there, which I didn’t. And...

Q: How old was your brother at the time?

A: He was in his early twenties, I think, 20, 21, something like that.

Q: He was a lot older than you were?

A: Oh, yes, considerably.

When we got up there I kind of meandered off to one side. This thing was cocked up and I was standing here, the bodies were here, and everybody else was kind of down here except my cousin Victor was over here playing and looking in this gaping hole on the side of this disk. And it was shaped just like a discus except for a round dome was up on top and there was this big gaping gash in there. We could see inside and it looked like a double hull.

Q: How big—explain it? The gash.

A: The dome?

Q: No, the gash.

A: Well, it covered the greater majority from the center of the craft out. It was just like a gaping hole in there. I mean I’m thinking, you know, it’s like about 32, 35 feet in diameter so we’re talking about 17 feet maybe. Most of that one side was ripped open like that. You could see inside and you could see another double hull, like—in there. And there were just rows of components that was on there.

And there were lights that flashed on and off. Some of them were steady and some were flashing. There was a lot of debris and stuff hanging out of the hole. There was evidence that there apparently had been fire. It looked like it had been burned along the edge there. The gash...

Q: Now this wasn’t a gash that could have been caused by the thing coming in for the ground? It wasn’t at the leading edge of the vehicle?

A: No, no. This was in the side like—it almost appeared it was elliptical. It almost appeared as if something the same shape as the disk we were looking at had hit that same—you know, like it hit the disk and left an imprint that pretty closely approximated the outside diameter of the disk itself. And it appeared to be caved in looking, kind of like it hit them like this and it just crumpled and caved in and ripped it open.