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My Lord Rothes said—And we also adhere to the protestation made be us.

Traquair craved that his assessours might eik to his Graces protestation, which was granted.

Then the Voits of the whole Assembly wer craved anent the election of a Clerk _ad vitam_, and Mr Archbald Johnston was chosen and admitted unto all the rights, fies, and priviledges, perteining to ane Clerk of before, to be extractit at large; who, after the acknowledgement of the weightiness of the charge, and his insufficiencie for it, embraced it as having a calling from God, and the honourable Assembly.

The Moderatour desired to be informed if any more was requisite for his admission but a solemne oath of his fidelitie and diligence?

Mr John Row answered—Nothing further, but that he should bring foorth, keepe, and preserve the Registers of the Church; at least so many as shall come in his hands, seeing pitifull experience could show how these Registers had been marred in former tymes.

Then Mr Archbald gave ane solemne oath of his fidelitie and diligence, and conscious keeping, and use making of all Registers and documents, was taken of his acceptance and admission.

The Moderatour said—The Bookes and Acts of all former Assemblies should be produced, and put in Mr Archbalds hands.

Mr Thomas Sandilands answered—That he had receaved no Registers from his father, but only two books, conteining some acts from the yeare 1590, till the Assemblie at Aberdein, holden 1616. which therein is only begunne with the Minuts of the Acts of the said Assembly of Aberdein, in a paper-apairt with the Minuts of St Androwes following 1617, with the acts of the Assembly at Perth, subscribed be Mr James Sandilands, and delivered the samen to the Assembly: And, being posed for the rest of the registers, answered, in his fathers name, that he had gotten these two from the Bishop of St Androwes, and had never receaved any moe, neither from him, nor from the Assembly, nor from any uther.

The Moderatour craved that all the Registers might be had and brought foorth from the hand of any Clerk or haver of them, affirming that these bookes had in them matters of greater weight then all uther evidents of land; for they wer the Kirke of Scotlands MAGNA CARTA, contayning all her priviledges since the reformation. He wished also that this Assembly should not be deprived of so powerfull a meane of information for proceeding in matters to be handled there.

The former Clerks sone affirmed that he had destroyed none of these bookes.

The Moderatour urged the production of these bookes, and desired the Commissoner to take course for it.

The Commissioner answered—That he was willing to use any good meane that could be used for production of these bookes, if any could show in whose hands they were; for (said he) I desire not that any register should be absent, but, above all, the Kirkes Registers.

My Lord Rothes said—That, by a warrant from King James, the bookes wer taken from Mr Thomas Nicolsone and the last Clerk, and put in the hands of the pretendit bishop of St Androwes, and so of neid, force and course must be taken for getting of these bookes from the Bishop.

Mr Archbald Johnston said—That, by Gods providence, als many bookes were come in his hands, as should be able to make up a perfite register of the whole affaires of the Kirke, from the Reformation until this day, which Bookes he produced on the table, and declared by whom and what meanes they wer come to his hands—To witt, Mr Robert Winrahame, Depute-clerk under Mr Thomas Nicolsone, and from him to Alexʳ Blair; of quhich bookes there are fyve volumes in folio. But Mr Patrick Adamsone, Bishop of St Androwes, rent ane of them, and yet there are four to the foir of them, written be Mr James Richie and Mr Thomas Nicolsone, qʳof the first two containes the acts of Assembly from the year 1560 to 1572, subscribed by John Gray, Clerk to the Assembly; and the third volume, fra 1586, till 1590, written and subscrived in the margine be Mr James Richie, Clerk to the said Assembly—the first Booke being ane great volume of the Acts of the Assembly, fra the year 1560 to 1590, (whereof he had but ane len from ane minister,) whereof, the first four volumes the said Mr Archbald declared he had receaved them from Alexʳ Blair, wreater, who was servant, and succedit in the place of modifications of Stipends to Mr Robert Winrahame, who had a deputation from Mr Thomas Nicolsone, Clerk to the Generall Assembly.

The Moderatour said—These are good and comfortable newis unto the Church of Scotland—that a perfect Register of the Acts of the Assemblies are yet to the foir, and that it was neidfull that course be taken for tryell of these bookes, whether they be these same bookes written be the Clerks, or be their deputs, or Copies only of these bookes.

It was answered be the Clerk, That they are the same, written and subscryved be the Clerkis oune hand, and the leaves riven out of ane of them be the bishop from the 22 to the 27 leafe, may yet be knewen be the marked number of the leafes. The first Clerk, Mr John Gray, who subscribed everie Assembly with his hand. The next is also subscribed; and ane Memorandum on the first leaf of it, where Mr Archbald Huntar past to the Chancelour Maitland and receavet that Volume, and this uther, and the halfe of that which was rent by Bishop Adamsone, is marked in the next booke. The third booke, and the first act of it, is the election of Mr James Richie, Clerk; which booke is all of ane hand write. The ane booke is from the 60 to the 70 year; the next from the 79 wherein the bishop of St Androwes is censured and excommunicat; and now, in God’s Providence, there is now in the present Clerks hands a perfyte Register from the 70 year to this last Assembly, for which all of us have reason to praise God.

The Commissioner said—See that we build on ane suir foundation, and try weill that these bookes be authenticks.

The Moderatour craved that some judicious men, and skilled in dignoscing hand writtes, might be nominat for tryell of these bookes; and intreated the Earles Lawderdaill, Southesk, and Argyle to take inspection of the Bookes.

Argyle objected his youth and unskilfulness for so weightie a charge, yet, at command of the Commissioner, declaired his willingnes to assist the work.

The Comʳ said, that if his aune paines could contribute any thing to the furtherance of the worke, he would be readie to sit up day and night, but would not lay the burthen on his assessours; for, he said, seeing it is refuised that they should be Members of the Assembly, he said he saw not how they could be appoynted for trying of these Registers.

The Moderatour answered—We are hopefull that their Lordships will not refuse to further the good of this Assembly, seeing it is said heir, it is not for want of due respect we owe to their Lordships, but only for preservation of the Kirkes liberties, as said is.

The Comʳ said—I cannot see how these that are not granted to be Members of the Assembly, can cognosce bookes containing matters of so great weight.

The Moderatour answered, that they can best judge.

The Commissioner said—But I cannot consent unto it. Therefor

The Moderatour said—Let the skilfullest of the Clerks of Session, Counsell, and burrow Clerks, with the Ministers, such as the Laird of Durie, the Clerk of Dundie, Mr Alexʳ Pearsone, with their Assessours to help them of the Ministrie.

Mr James Bonar.
Mr John Row.
Mr John Livingstone.
Mr Andrew Ramsay.

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[The Moderator called upon] Mr John Row.

Mr John Row answered—That he had yett in his hands the booke of the Kirke Policie subscribed be Mr James Richie, Clerk, which will serve to dignosce the hand writt.

Mr Archbald Johnston said he had the principall Booke of Policie, written in lumbard paper, in his hand, which also would conduce to that end.

This being judged to be the fittest way for tryell of the Registers of the Kirk, and makeing them to be authentick,

The Moderatour desyred that the Commissioner would proceed to try the Members of the Assembly and the Commissions, that soe the Assembly might be fullie constitut.

The Commissioner answered—That he who yesterday presentit a written paper from the Lords of the Clergie, desires that his bill or paper might be first read for information giving, anent the Members of the Assembly to be constitut; and becaus the reading of it yesterday was denyit before a Moderatour was chosen; now ane Moderatour and Clerk also being chosen, I desire this paper to be read; seeing the objections qᶜʰ were proponed yesterday are now removed, and that Doctor Robert Hamilton may be called to produce the paper, written in name of the Lords of the Clergie and their adherents; who being called, compeired and presented his paper to the Commissioner, desiring he would give charge to read it.

The Moderatour said—Some parte of the Impediments of reading it in publict are removed, but not all; for the Assembly is not as yet constitut fullie. But, so soone as the Assembly is constitut, it shall be read before any other bill or paper qwhatsoever.

The Commissioner urged still the reading of it before the Members of the Assembly were agried upon and constitut, becaus the paper contained many thinges neidfull to be knowen before the Members of the Assembly be constitut.

My Lord Lowdoun answered—That the reasons proponed yesterday for not reading of it, are yet standing in force; and as it was inexpedient yesterday that it should not be read till a Moderatour was chosen, so it is yet inexpedient till all the Members of the Assembly be fullie constitut; for, (said he,) there is no Assembly constitut till the Commissions of the Commissioners to the Assembly be tryed.

The Commissioner replyed—It is a hard cause, that a man cited before the Assembly should not be heard to object against the Members of the Assembly who were to be there judges. Who ever heard that a man accused as guiltie of a fault, was refused to be heard to object against his judge?

My Lord Lowdoun answered—If the objection wer now against the whole Assembly, it could not be read before the Assembly wer constitut to be judges. But if the objections wer against any particular Member of the Assembly, it were only fitt tyme to object when that mans Commission were in reading.

My Lord Rothes said—Let objections be given in against a particular Member and it may be heard, but cannot be heard against the whole Assembly before it be constitut; and

The Moderatour eiked—If that paper should open your eyes to give further light after constitution of the Assembly, that the errour of not reading it before shall be repented in dew time; for no sooner shall the Assembly be constitut but it shall be first read.

My Lord Commissioner said—I take instruments of your refusall to read it.

My Lord Lowdoun answered—It cannot be said that the Assembly hes refuised till it be ane Assembly constitut. Neither yet is the paper presented to the Assembly, but to your Grace.

The Commissioner replied—Because ye have refuised I took it; and I crave it might be read.

My Lord Lowdoun answered—So soon as it is an Assembly, it shall be read.

The Moderatour said—Then let us proceed to the tryell of the Commissions, that the Assembly might be constitut, and then it shall be read.

The Commissioner said—I am content, so be my Lords of Clergie receave no hurt nor prejudice; and before yee proceed, 1 ask documents that nothing be done in tryell of Commissions, and constituting the said Members of Assembly, to the prejudice of the said Lords of Clergie; and I desyre that the newlie constitut Clerk may pen ane act for this effect and give out ane extract of it.

The Clerk answered—I can neither make nor give out Acts without a warrand from the Assembly; and the Assembly cannot give warrand till it be constitut.

Then (said the Commissioner) I will take instruments in the hands of the Lord Register, seeing the Clerk of the Assembly refuses to write.

The Clerk said—I shall write it quhen the Moderatour gives direction; yea, I shall write it presentlie, but cannot give ane extract of it till the Assembly be constitut.

The Commissioner said—If ye be Clerk to all, why not to me? Shall I make a Clerk for myselfe? I did protest before, that niother the Lords of Clergie nor their adherents should be prejudged in their dignities or priviledges, by their refuseing to read their paper, presented by Dr Robert Hamiltoun; which paper containes reasones against election of the Members of Assembly.

My Lord Traquair said—It is very hard that these reasons against the election of such and such Members of the Assembly should not be heard.

The Moderatour said—When the Assembly is fullie constitut, then the Member complained of shall be removed.

The Commissioner said—I still will protest in name of the Lords of Clergie and their adherents, that they receave no prejudice by your not reading of their paper before the Assembly proceed to the examination of Commissions.

My Lord Traquair said—The protestation is upon your refusall to read it.

My Lord Lowdoun answered—Their refusall is no longer then till the Assembly be constitut; their reading of it is only deleyed till then.

The Commissioner said—But for my securitie I will take instruments of all in my Lord Registers hand, till that promise he performed; for, albeit I be his Majesties Commissioner, yet am I a poor subject, and must answer for my service.

The Moderatour said—I will judge reverentlie of your Graces proceedings; yet I may say there is a too too burning haste in these men for whom your Grace pleads, that they will have their bill read before the Assembly be constitut.

The Comʳ answered—They have reason to look to themselves, seeing it stands them now on their reputation, dearer to them nor their life; and, therefore, thinkes it only now fitt tyme to use their best defences: for what weight will their reasons have when their parties are constitut their judges? If myselfe were to be constitut judge, I would not refuise to heare reasons why I shᵈ not be such a mans judge; therefore, I requeist the Moderatour to state the question, and ask the Assembly what they think of it?

Then the Moderatour said—There is a motion made anent the reading of a paper, given in be the pretendit Archbishops and Bishops, and their adherents, for clearing of yʳ mynds who are present, concerning the election of the members of this Assembly, and ye did formerlie refuse it till the Assembly was constitut. Now, it is urged againe; and, therefore, I ask, whether it be convenient to read it now, or to delay it to the Assembly be constitut, and the commissions tryed?

My Lord Traquair said—If my Lords of Clergies information be not read before the voit and judgment of the Assembly be given, and before a judicatorie be constitut, it shall be to no purpose thereafter; therefore, it is only craved that then information may be heard, and no answer shall be craved till the Assembly be fullie constitut.

The Moderatour said—An absolute judgement of the Assembly shall not be given without reservation.

My Lord Traquair said—Instruments should be taken before they give out their judgements, that it prejudge not my Lords of Clergie.

My Lord Lowdoun answered—Ye cannot crave the judges Sentence in this matter before the judge be constitut.

The Comʳ said—We only crave to informe these who should be judges, and that reasons should be heard wherefore they cannot be judges.

My Lord Lowdoun replyed—It is no wayes competent to this Assemblie to heare that information as a judge, before yʳ be a judge, seeing that information shall be alse valide after the Assembly is constitut as now.

My Lord Traquair said—What if it can be showen by good reason, that such ane election of the members of this Assembly as ye are about, cannot be; and if this be, how shall it be tymeous to show it after the election is made?

My Lord Lowdoun answered—The judicatorie being constitut, it shall then be judged.

The Moderatour said—Whether should our owne or externall instruments be first heard?

My Lord Traquair answered—When a judicatorie is to be sett, whether is it more propper to except against those who are to be judges, before or efter the judicatorie is established?

The Moderatour answered—They shall be heard; but ourselves must be first heard.

My Lord Argyle said—I compare these here conveined to be ane assise nominat, but not yet sworne why may not then we, ane pairtie accused, informe the assise before it be sworne?

The Moderatour answered—We doe verilie perceave great sufficiencie in the Commissioners Grace, who only should speake here unto us; and if your Lo. have any information to give in, doe it in a convenient tyme; and it is not fitt your Lo. should speake here as a Commissioner; and it will be hard to us to make answer to every difficultie that such a number of wittie noblemen can propone.

My Lord Lowdoun said—My Lord Argyles instance is verie fitt, if these men who desires their information to be read would come in here as men pannelled before ane assise.

My Lord Argyle answered—There is a sort of acknowledgement be them of a judicatorie here, when they desire such a information to be read before it.

The Moderatour said—They shall be judged in nothing here till they have gotten libertie to speak, and except against any Commissioner here present.

The Comʳ said—If this be ane free Generall Assembly, why may not any propone their doubts? How can this be refuised to my Lord Argyle and others, they being Peires of the land, which cannot be denyed to Scottismen?

After sundrie speaches uttered be my Lord Argyle, Traquair, and answers given thereto be the Shirreff of Teviotdaill and my Lord Lowdoun, anent the comparisone taken from assise, it was concluded that the paper given be Doctor Robert Hamilton, in name of the Lords of Clergie and their adherents, should not be read till the Assembly was fully constitut.

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Sess. 4.

November 24, 1638.

The fourth day, be reason of the Commissioners delay in not comeing at his appoynted houre, the Moderatour desired that matters to be handled might goe one in his Grace his absence, and a promise that a full narration of thinges handled should be made knowne unto his Grace at his first incomeing, which the Comʳ refuised, seeing he was bound to give particular accompt to the Kings Majestie of everie thing done, therefore behoved to be ane witnesse of everie thing that should be done.

The Moderatour said—We left at the examination of Commissions, which serves for the constitution of the Assembly; and we crave that we may now proceed in the examination of Commissions; and the Commission given in for the Presbitrie of Dunce, was first read; next, the Commission for the Presbitrie of Chirnaide.

The Moderatour said—We need not to crave the voits of the Assembly anent every Commission; but, if none speake against a Commission, after it is read, we will hold silence for a consent and approbation of the commission.

The Commissioner answered—If ye appoynt that silence shall be taken _pro confesso_ that the Commission is valide, I protest that my silence be not so exponed, but that I may have libertie to object against any Commission or Commissioner, in my owne tyme, becaus for the present, I am not instructed with objections which I have and will make hereafter; and to this protestation, the Moderatour, in name of the Assembly, assented; and so the Clerk went on to the reading of the rest of the Commissions, and red the third from the Presbitrie of Kelso; the 4 from Jedburgh; the 5 from toune of it; the 6 from Ersiltoun; the 7 from Lawder; the 8 from Selkirk; the 9 from the toune of it; the 10 from Dumbar; the ij from the toune of it; the 12 from Northberwick toune; the 13 from Hadingtoun; the 14 from Dalkeeth; the 15 from the Presbitrie of Hadingtoun; the 16 from Edinburgh; the 17 from the Colledge of it; the 18 from Linlithgow; the 19 from the toune of it; the 22 from the Presbitrie of Peibles, and a Protestation given in against it be Mr Robert Ellot, as a Commission purchased be indirect meanes used be the Lord Traquair.

My Lord Traquair, hearing his name called in question, thought himself much wronged, being calumnat be such a man, whom he would prove to be both a bryber and ambitious; and that he should be by him brought upon the stage before so reverent and grave ane auditour; and complained to the Commissioner of the Ingiver of the Protestation as ane infamous lybeller against ane officer of Estate, and Counsellour of his Majestie; and the Comʳ promised that the ingiver should be censured according to justice, in tyme and place convenient: therefore, both the Commission and the protestation was layd by till the fitt tyme of tryell.

The 23 commission was then read frome the toune of Peibles; the 24 from Middlebie; the 25 from Lochmaben; the 26 from the toune of it; the 27 from Mentoun; the 28 from Penpont; the 29 from Drumfreis; the 30 from the toune of it; the 31 from Kircudbright; the 32 from the toune of it; the 33 from New Gallaway toune; the 34 from the Sanquar toune; the 35 from Wigtoun toune; the 36 from Wigtoun Presb.; the 37 from Stranrawer; the 38 from the toune of it; the 39 from Air; the 40 from the toune of it; the 41 from Irving; the 42 from the toune of it; the 43 from Rosay; the 44 from Argyle; the 45 from Dumbartoun; the 46 from the toune of it; the 47 from Paisley; the 48 from Renfrew toune; the 49 from Glasgow; the 50 from the toune of it; the 51 from the colledge of it.

It was asked, why the Colledge of Glasgow put in 4 in their Commission, when uther Colledges hes but ane, and it was layd by to be examined.

The 52 [Com.] from Rutherglen toune; the 53 from Hamilton; the 54 from Lanerk; the 55 from the toune of it; the 56 from St Androwes; the 57 from the toune of it; the 58 from the Colledge of it; the 59 from the toune of Creall; the 60 from Kilreny toune; the 61 from Anstruther Easter; the 62 from Anstruther Wester; the 63 from Pittinweeme; the 64 from Coupar; the 65 from the toune of it; the 66 from Kirkcaldie; the 67 from the toune of it; the 68 from Dysert; the 69 from Kinghorne; the 70 from Bruntyland; the 71 from Dumfermling; the 72 from the toune of it; the 73 from Culros; the 74 from Innerkeithing; the 75 from Dumblane; the 76 from Auchterardour; the 77 frome Perth toune; the 78 from Dunkell; the 76 from Megle; 80 from Dundie; 81 from the toune of it; 82 from Forfor toune; 83 from Brechen, on the back of which Commission there was yʳ a declaration written in favours of the Laird of Din, Commissioner, subscryved be ane number of barons, and some noblemen to it, beside these insert in the Commission it selfe, who gave consent to the Commission. This writ, on the backsyde of the Commission, was for clearing the sufficiencie of it, in respect that ane vther Commission was granted be the same Presbitrie of Brechen, appointing my Lord Carnagie, ruleing elder, for ane Commissioner; ane copie of which Commission, with ane declaration upon the back thereof was craved be the Commissioner, vnder the Clerks hand, that he might thereby be the better instructed for objecting against any vther Commissions, and might have his mynd cleared in sundrie particulars which might conduce for the furtherance of his Majesties service.

The Moderatour answered, That his Grace should have ane copie of the Commission itselfe, but not of that which is written on the back of it, seeing it is not given as a parte of the Commission, but only a privat thing written by the ingiver, for clearing of his Commission.

The Commissioner said, Seeing that which is written on the backsyde of it may serve to further my masters service, why should a copie of it be denyed to me, seeing my desyre is reasonable? I cannot compell to give it, but, if it be denyed, what can I say but I am vsed in that as in the vther things?

My Lord Rothes said—The pairtie ingiver hes yet in his power to retreat and draw back both the Commission and all that is written upon it; and therefore the Clerk can give no copie nor extract of it till the Commision be authorized and made lawfull in judgement; for, till that, as it is only a privat paper which the ingiver may doe now if he have not a mynd to stand to it.

No, said my Lord Traquair, he may not draw it back, if it may contribute to the furtherance of the Kings service.

My Lord Lowdoun said he may not only draw it back, but ryve it.

No, said my Lord Traquair, seeing it is now produced in judgment; and the

Commissioner eikit—Not only is it produced in judgement, but hes at it the subscriptiones of a number of Noblemen barrons, who we hope will stand to it.

My Lord Montrois said—We will not passe from a jote of that which may serve for the clearing of the Commission.

Therefore, said the Commissioner, that which is written on the backsyde of the Commission, serves to prove the legalitie of the election of the Commissioner, and is used as ane argument to prove the illegalitie of ane uther Commission from the same Presbitrie. Why then should I not have a copie of that which is written on the backsyde of the Commission, seeing I find it serve much for the furtherance of my Masters service? My Lord Yester answered—It is not propper for the Clerk to give ane copie of extract of that which is not insert in the records of Assembly; and only the Commission will be registrat in the bookes of Assembly, when it is approven, but not that which is on the back of it.

The Moderatour eikit—Only that which is given to the Assembly for a Commission, may be craved of the Assembly; but that which is on the back of it is not given for a Commission, or any parte thereof, but only written on the back of the Commission given in accidentallie, and may be obliterat.

The Commissioner asked, how that could be called accidentall which had at it the subscription of 40 hand writtes, and produced in judgement to be read?

The Moderatour said—That on the back of the Commission is only accidentall, and I shall cleir it by ane supposition. There is ane evident given in before the Lords of Session, and on the back thereof there is ane compt written on some privat bussineese of the owner of it. Shall the Lords of Session, or the Clerk, be obliged to give out ane extract of the mans compt? No more can the Assembly or Clerk give out ane extract of that which no wayes belongs to them.

My Lord Forbes said—The ingiver hes power to eike, paire, or draw back at his pleasure, and such Commissions that are contravened are referred to ane vther day.

Mr David Dick said, Let the Ingiver of the Commission be asked, whether that on the back of it serves for approvation of his Commission or not? for, if it be only a probation of it, then that which is on the back should not be read till the time of probation, and for the tyme, only a copy of the Commission may be craved.

The Comʳ asked the voits of the Assembly whether or not a copie of all should be granted.

My Lord Lowdoun answered, that there could be no voiting till the Assembly be established; but so soone as it shall be established, it shall be granted.

Then, said the Comʳ, I take Instruments that such a Commission was given in to be read, on the back whereof there is a written declaration of the lawfulness of the election of the Commissioners of Brechin, and desires it may be keeped in the Clerks hands.

The Moderatour regrated much that the weightie and grave matters of the Assembly should be thus deleyed, and said that it had been better to have wanted all the Commissioners from Brechin; quhereat

Southeske cappit and unreverentlie replyed to the Moderatour, that he wronged them that wronged not him, and whom he had no reason to wrong.

The Moderatour answered—That what he did speake was within the bounds of reason, and he would be answerable for it to the Assembly; neither would [he] have expected from his Lordship such an undeserved censure.

Lowdoun answered—That it was ane great wrong that the Moderatour should be upbraided by any for preferring the publict weill, and the effaires of the Assembly to any mans particular.

Mr David Dick said, That God will trouble the impeaders of his owne work.

This was like to have drawen to a great heat if the Commissioner had not prevented it by commanding them to silence.

The 84 Commission from Ruthentoun was read; 85 from Arbroath; 86 from Montrois; 87 from Arbroth toune; 88 from Mernes; 89 from Aberdeine; 90 from the Colledge of it; 91 from the toune of it; 92 from Die; 93 ________________________; 94 from Ellon; 95 from Turreff; 96 from Kincardine.

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Sess. 5.

[November 25.]

After in calling vpon the name of God,

The Clerk went forward in reading the rest of the Commissions; and the 97 Commission, Garrioch, was first read, and billes of Complaint given in against the Commissioner, containing reasons why he should not be receaved as Commissioner, and was referred to tryell. The 98 from Fordice; 99 from Bamff toune; 100 from Elgin toune; 101 from Strabogie; 102 from Forres; 103 from Forres toune; 104 from Innernes; 105 from Innernes toune; 106 from Chanrie of Ross, and a protestation against it by Sir John MᶜKenzie; 107 from Tayne; 108 from the Toune of it; 109 from Dingwall; 110 from Sutherland; 111 from Cathnes; 112 from Orkney, from Patrick Smyth of Braco,[137] and it was castin, being found nather from a Presbitrie, burgh, nor subscriving Minister.

The Moderatour said—Now the whole Commissions are read; and of all there are onlie 13 contravertit; and we have now reason to praise God, that, be the silence of all that are present, the rest of the Commissions are approven, and that, in Gods singular favour, we have place and power to voit and treat of all matters that shall come before us. As for these controverted Commissions, it is now tyme we should examine them.

The Commissioner said—If ye proceed to examination, I shall adhere to my former protestation of libertie to object against any Commission in my owne tyme.

My Lord Rothes answered—It is now fittest tyme.

The Commissioner answered—I find not yet my fitt tyme to make any objections, but seeing tyme reserved to me I will choose it.

Then the Moderatour said—Let the Commissions which are in question be discussed, and begin at the Presbitrie of Peibles, given, October first, to Mr James Bennet, and Laird of Posso, subscryved be the Clerk.

The Commission was read, and a protestation against it, alleadging that that election was not free, for many reasons.

My Lord Traquair craved libertie to speake in defence of that Commission: and

The Moderatour required that he should speake of the Minister who gave in the protestation, with a respect due to a Minister of Jesus Christ, till he was declared infamous.

My Lord Traquair answered—That he had no purpose to reckon for the tyme, but would referre the challenge against him to the Presbitrie; only craved libertie to regrat that so unjustlie he was brought upon the stage, seeing he did attest all the witnesses that were present at the outgiving of that Commission, that he did carry himself humblie and modestlie, as became a good Christian, intending nothing but a free and peaceable election; and that he did not utter any crosse word, or a word smelling of passion or discontent; and he attested God that the matter was as he said. Then he declaired that there was a formall process [extract] of that election in the hands of the Clerk of the Presbitrie, which, being produced, would make it cleare how unjustlie he was accused; which process he promised to produce the next day.

The Moderatour answered—If the process come from ane honest hand, and be clearlie and formallie deduced, it shall have faith; and, if the pairtie protester against the Commission can prove the contrare be sufficient witnesse, he also must be heard.

Mr Lord Traquair answered—It is hard to heare witnesses agᵗ a eldar, and formal process given in by a famous Clerk in writt.

The Moderatour asked at Mr Robert Ellot, (who gave in the protestation,) what he could say? He answered, That it was a vyld imputation layd to his charge, that he should be ane vnjust accuser of such a nobleman; but, sayth he, if I have done no evil, why am I called a basse, ambitious, brybbish boddie, in the hearing of this reverend assembly? But I passe it, seeing my Lord was called a Carpenter, a wine bibber, and ane enemie to Cæsar, and that he had a divel; yet I have said nothing as a libeller against my Lord Traquair, for I was readie to spend my life in his service; and I judged that he should have lyked the better of me, that I should have protested against any thing which seemed to prejudge this Assembly.

The Moderatour asked if the protestation made against that election was made in a Clerks hearing before witnesses, and if it was written and marked?

Mr Robert Ellot answered—That he protested openlie, and desired to be so heard, but it was refused.

My Lord Traquair answered—The process in the Clerks hand will clear all which is ordained to be produced; and if, after tryell, I be proven not to have been ane intruder of my selfe, or ane indirect dealler, seeing I walked so circumspectlie, I crave the wrong done to me may be redressed; for, before God, there is not a circumstance of that which is alleadged true.

The Commissioner answered—If he should continue in his office, he should have the wrong redressed: if not that, he should deale with any to occupy his place.

To that end, my Lord Rothes said—If there be wrong on his parte, the censure of it is competent to this Assembly.

The Commissioner said—I intend not to derogat any thing from the authoritie of this Assembly, but rather would contribut unto it, and preserve it in its oune integritie. But I would not that the Royall authoritie should so suffer that ane officer of Estate, being accused unjustlie, and so wronged, should not be repaired according to Justice.

My Lord Rothes said, that the tryell of this alledged wrong is only competent to this Assembly.

The Commissioner answered—I doubt not but the Assembly will doe to my Lord Traquair what is right; but I speake of the King’s right, and I know the Assembly may only judge in ecclesiasticall matters.

My Lord Traquair said—I declyne not the Assembly as judges in this matter; for I am content to subscryve ane blank paper, to be filled up by the Assembly; yea, I darre remitt the tryell of it to any Member of the Assembly.

The next Commission that was examined was from the Colledge of Glasgow as singular, containing four Commissioners, when other Colledges hath but ane, according to the act of Assembly.

The Principall, Doctor John Strong, craved the production of the Act; and after that the Act was considered, it was found that Colledges could have no privilidges above a Kirk, and therefore, ane act was sett downe, that ane colledge should have but ane voit in ane Assembly.

The 3d Commission from the Colledge of Glasgow was layd by till the Commissioner should find a fitt tyme to object against it.

The 4 from the Presbitrie of Ross. It was objected against it that it was onlie ane parte of the Presbitrie of Irwing, and it was acknowledged to be so of old, but was now disunited by the Bishop of Iles, as was alledged; but becaus it was not clearlie instructed, neither yet had beene in use to send Commissioners to former Assemblies as a presbitrie constitut, It is ordained that the Commissioners now sent shall have no voit in this Assembly; and becaus of ane large distance of place, and sea betwixt it and Irwing, it was thought fitt that hereafter it shall contribut a presbitrie of itselfe.

The 5 Contraverted Commission from the Presbitrie of Brechin, which after reasoning much too and fro, the tryell of it was referred to a particular committee—

Masters Andrew Ramsay,
David Dalgleesh,
James Bonar,
John Robertsone,
Robert Douglas,
Alexʳ Somervell,

with power to them to take the oathes and deposition of the thrie Ministers Commissioners for clearing the matter, and reporte the diligence to the Assembly.

The 6 Commission, from Kincarden presbitrie, was examined; and being found that the Commissioners were not elected in the ordinar Meeting place, nor in the ordinar tyme, but only by the Bishop in ane uther place, and ane uther tyme, and without the consent of elders, and without the knowledge of particular Kirks, therefore it was rejected.

The 7 Commission, from the Presbitrie of Aberdein, after tryell, was approven, and Mr James Harvie and Doctor Barrons was rejected, as done nather in place nor face of a Presbitrie, without any advertisement to the congregations, and being only subscrived at that tyme by themselves, who wer Commissioners, and by thrie uther Ministers thereafter, in their owne houses.

8. Anent the Commissioner of Garrioch, Mr Androw Logie, sundrie complaints being given in against him, wer remitted to a Committee—viz., Mr Andrew Cant, Mr James Martine, Mr Thomas Mitchell, and Dr Guild.

9. The two Commissions given in from the Chanrie of Ross. The Laird of Tarbet produced ane Instrument against Mr Thomas MᶜKenyies Commission, and assured the uther lawfull Commissions were comeing. The said Mr Thomas being rejected, produced a protestation against the Constitution of this Assembly of Ministers and elders.

My Lord Rothes asked instruments, and protested that such a Complaint and protestation was given in by the said Mr Thomas. The Commissioner also tooke instruments of the production of it.

Mr Andrew Ramsay offered presently to prove from Scripture, antiquitie, consent of uther reformed Kirkes, standing practices of our aune Kirke, and bookes of Assemblies, that ruling Elders are lawful and necessar Members of ane Assembly.

The Commissioner, acknowledging his owne weaknes for disputeing of that question, promised, in a convenient tyme, to bring foorth some who would dispute against ruleing Members, as no lawfull Members of ane Assembly.

The last question, about the Commission from Orkney was declared null, having no consent of Presbitrie, nor subscription of ane Minister, toune, nor colledge.

The Moderatour answered—Now the whole Commissions are examined, and found good, except some few. It is now expedient that the sufficiencie of the Kirke Registers be cleared, that they may be declaired authentick.

The Commissioner answered—It is a good work; but I have some scruples not yet removed.

Then, said the Moderatour, Let some be appoynted for tryell of the Registers; for the Assembly being now fullie constitut, after the examination of all contraverted Commissions, may give their Commission for tryell of the Registers, and let their testimonie anent the perfection of the bookes be given in the morne.

Masters Masters
Andrew Ramsay, John Adamsone,
John Row, James Bonar,
Robert Murray,
Alexʳ Gibsone, yoʳ of Durie,
Alexʳ Wedderburne, Clerk of Dundie,
Alexʳ Pearsone, Advocat; with such uthers
as they please to joyne with themselves.

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Sess. 6.

[November 26.]

After in calling upon the name of God,

The Moderatour said—Let us begin where we left, at the tryell of the record of Assemblies. There was a Committie appoynted yesternight to give in their testimonie anent the authentickness of the Registers. If it please your Grace, let their answer be heard.

The Commissioner having assented,

The Moderatour called upon these who wer appoynted for the examination of the Registers, to report their testimonie.

Durie said—Please your Grace and this reverend Assembly, We shall either give in our reasons be word or writt.

The Commissioner said—I desire to heare them give them in any way ye please.

Then the reasons of the authentickness of the Registers were given in be writt, and read by the Clerk.

The Moderatour said—Please your Grace, here is the testimonie of these that have skill in trying the Registers better nor any here present can relate. Hes your Grace gottine satisfaction?

The Commissioner answered—Verillie it is a matter of verie great importance, and there shall be no man more glad nor I, to see the Registers of the Kirke found reall, and proven to be authentick. I am far from contradicting anything these worthie gentlemen hath done; for it were impertinent so to doe. I can say nothing at the first hearing of a paper read; but it may be, that many scruples come in my mynd concerning them; yea, I have alreadie, whereof I am not resolved. This is the first tyme that ever I heard it read, and, therefore, I cannot give my judgment of it. I must confess my ignorance in thir things; and, therefore, I must be verie loath to give my assent or approbation to anything wherein I am not both clear and persuaded.

The Moderatour said—Hes your Grace any scruples to propone for the present?

The Commissioner said—I must think upon all before I propone them.

The Moderatour said—I would desire this reverend Assembly, that if there be any here, noblemen, gentlemen, ministers, that if they have any thing to say agˢᵗ this information concerning the authoritie of the Registers, that they would propone them, either now by word, or in a short tyme by writt, that this Assembly may make a declaration that they are authentick; and, if no objection be made against them, we will take your silence for an approbation of their authoritie. If ye have any thing to say, bring it foorth presentlie; if not, produce it in writt against the morne.

The Commissioner said—I am verie confident that there is not the Regents hand writt.

Durie answered—If it was not his hand writt it wᵈ have _sic subscribitur_, as all uther copies uses to have. I will not affirme that everie reason given for proving the authoritie of the bookes is unquestionallie good; but _que non prosunt singula, multa juvant_. I daresay this farre: all the Registers of Sessioun, Counsell, and pryme judicatories of this kingdome, are alse farr short of the Registers of the Kirke, as these Registers are short of these things treated here.

The Commissioner said—Truely, sir, I cannot but acknowledge these reasons hath cleared verie much, and verillie they have removed many scruples that myself had before the hearing of them; so that I will not contradict them: but I still doubt if that subscription be the Regents hand.

Moderatour said—If there be any brother that has any copie of James Richie, or John Gray, clerk to the Assembly, their hand writt, let them produce, to give farder information to confirme this information; for, possiblie, some minister or uther that hes some record that may give testimony and approbation to this hand writt.

Then Mr John Row produced ane copie of severall acts of the booke of Policie, written be the said Mr James Richie, and subscryved with his hand; ane uther brother of the Presbitrie, which he had keeped himself now 52 yeares; and the hand writt of the Assembly Booke and the Copies being compared, and seene be the Commissioner himself, they were acknowledged to be ane hand writt.

The Moderatour said—If any man have any thing to oppose against these bookes, let him now bring it foorth, that ane Act may be made; for, if no man produce anything, they will be acknowledged be the Assembly to be authentick hereafter.

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Then the Moderatour, professing his owne insufficiencie for so weightie a charge as was now layd upon him, craved that some assessours might be nominat to joyne with him in a privat conference for ordering of matters to be proponed in Assembly.

The Commissioner answered, that he would not oppose any laudable custome of former Assemblies; but let the Clerk and Lord Register mark that my assent be no wayes prejudiciall to my masters right.

Mr David Dalgleish said—I have seen Assemblies of old, and such pryme conferences, according to my poore observation, hath wrought great prejudice to the Kirk; therefore, I would wishe that all were done by a voluntar consent, and by the concurrance of the whole Assembly.

Moderatour answered—Please you, the advice of the Privat Conference has done harme to the Assembly, but not the use and institution; for, of its inowne nature, [it] is very helpfull. They aught, deed, to keepe themselves within their owne bounds, and doe nothing that may be prejudiciall to the Assembly; but doe yee think it is possible for a man to propone matters for so great a meeting without assessours?

The Assembly declaired, there needed no Act be made for assessours, but that the Moderatour may choose at his owne discretion, some few to assist him in the ordering and proposition of matters; whereupon the Moderatour nominat—

Mr Hary Pollock, Minister at Edinburgh.
Mr John Adamsone, Principall of the Colledge thereof.
Mr David Dick, Minister at Irwing.
Mr David Dalgleische, Minister at Coupar.
The Earles of Rothes and Montrois.
The Lords Lindsay, Lowdoun, and Balmerino.
Sir William Douglas of Cavers.
The Laird of Keir.
The Laird of Haughton.
James Cochrane, burges of Edinburgh.
James Fletcher, Provest of Dundie.
Mr Robert Barclay, Provest of Irwing.

My Lord Lowdoun said—Please your Grace, these assessours are only to advise what is to be done first, and what next, for greater expedition and acclerating of buseinesse.

The Commissioner said—I have alwayes bene carefull to eschue the speaking of any thing that might impede this great and good worke, and so shall I still be; yet must I be carefull that my silence be not prejudiciall to my gracious Master and Soveraigne; and, I hope neither your disposition, nor any here present, intends any wrong be what they say or doe, to auctoritie. But I have bein told that the overtures and proponing of matters doe principallie belong to his Majestie, what he thinks fitt to be agitat in the first place, in the midle, and in the last place; therefore I cannot passe by my just protestation, that this prove no wayes prejudiciall to my Masters service, and I receave no imputation by saying nothing. Whereupon his Grace tooke protestation.

The Moderatour said—Your Grace needed not to have protested, seeing the Assembly was content that everie thing done in the Assembly should be done with his Graces consent.

My Lord Rothes protested that the ordering and proponing of matters pertained only to the Moderatour.

The Commisioner said—Indeed I am well pleased to heare that from yow; but I must be carefull of my Masters right; and I hope it shall be seene to future ages that I have bein ane honest and trustie servant to my good and gracious Master.

The Moderatour desired his Grace to condiscend upon an houre for the Meeting of the Assessours formerlie nominat, and said it was the custome to meit in the Morning before Sermon.

The Commissioner said—I am told that the tyme and place uses to be appoynted be his Majestie or his Commissioner, who was alwayes present at these privie conferences; and therefore I protest that I be present at them all.

The Moderatour said—We shall be verie glad of your Graces presence and assistance; for we hope your Grace will be a helpe and not a hinderance unto us. Therefore lett us know the tyme and place which seemes to be most convenient, that the tyme be conforme to the dyet of this Assembly.

The Commissioner said—When my leasure can serve, I shall be readie to give attendance.

The Moderatour asked the opinion of some of the brethren. Mr Robert Douglas, Mr James Bonar, Mr Andrew Cant, Mr John Bell, said, that the tyme might be appoynted by the Moderatour; but it must be advertit that nothing be determined in these privie conferences, nor any thing prejudiceall to this free Assembly; but only that matters be ordered and digested be them, that soe things might be rightlie proponed in the Assembly.

The Moderatour said—I was present at these Conferences, at ane Assembly in Aberdein In 1616, and they tooke very much upon them, for all matters were concluded and determined; that the privie Conferences satt 3 or 4 houres, and the Assembly satt but ane houre, and intimation was only made in the Assembly of their Conclusions, and the Assembly was asked if they had any thing to say against it; but I hope they shall hold themselves within their bounds.

The Moderatour said—There uses some to be naimed for receaving of papers and billes that are to be given in, becaus it will not be convenient that the whole Assembly be troubled with everie particular complaint; therefore let some be nominat for vieuing of the Billes, that hes best skill in matters of this kynd, that they may report to the Assembly, what is pertinent to be handlit here, and what not.

The Commissioner said—There is nothing that hes bein the order and custome of Assemblies but I shall heartillie consent unto it.

The Assembly appoynted for receiving of Billes, &c.

The Moderatour desyred that the rest of the Commissions that were not cleared and approven, might now be examined; and first he desyred to hear the report of these that were on the Commission for Brechin. They answered that they were not sufficientlie instructed.

The next was Commission from Peibles.

My Lord Traquair said—For clearing of the sufficiencie of this Commission, ye may see the whole process under Mr Patrick Purdies hand, Clerk to the Presbitrie, who is here present.

Mr John Bennet said—We, the Commissioners of Peibles, have hitherto been silent; now we desyre to be heard, and that this reverend Assembly would take this matter to their Consultation; for here is ane whole Elderschip accused by ane man, whereas the Scripture sayes—“Accuse not ane elder but under the testimonie of two or three witnesses;” and this Man, ane of our bowells, of whom we expected better things, hes now brought us on the stage, and spitted on our face, and brought us in suspition, by surmizing speaches, and open challenges; and this he hath done under pretence of zeale for the freedome of this Assembly, quhilk God forbid we should prejudge. We are heir, Men, haters of vyce and lovers of veritie, willing to give all our concurrance to everie good worke.

The Moderatour said—It is not an accusation, but ane Protestation; and it will appeare by the determination of the Assembly, whether he hath done wrong or not.

My Lord Traquair said—I know certainly they have a Commission most warrantable; but since now it is contradicted, I submit myself to the judgement of the Assembly; and I crave that the whole proces may be read to the Assembly, that it may be knowne on whose parte the fault is; and if it doe not clearlie improve what Master Ellot hes said, and make good what I have said for myselfe, or if there be a syllable or circumstance of that quhilk he alledges true, or if ever I have a thought in that kynd, I were not worthie to come amongst Christians, let be to come here; for it is impertinent, if not impudent, for a man to intrude himselfe in such an action as that which is against all conscience and dignitie. But I propose not now to use any recriminations.

Mr Robert Ellot said—My Protestation is not accusation or challenge against any mans persone, but agᵗ the informalitie of the election of the Commissioners, least this Assembly should be challenged afterward for admitting such a voice in matters as was not instructed with sufficient Commissions. Alway I am sorry that my Lord Thesaurer should be offendit. I thought his Lordship should not have been offendit; for, God is my witnesse, I neither intendit, neither have I given any occasion of offence.