Chapter XXIX: Part 29

Mr. CRAFARD. No; we moved to a little place called Plainview where I attended school for a year, Stratmore High School and from there we went to Oregon. I dropped out of school and enlisted in the U.S. Army, September 18, 1958.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, do I understand you to say then that you had 3 years of high school education?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Was that--were those satisfactory years?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean you have credit for those?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You lack 1 year to graduate?

Mr. CRAFARD. I lack about 6 months of finishing high school.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you enlist?

Mr. CRAFARD. I enlisted in Salem, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. And what assignments were you given?

Mr. CRAFARD. I enlisted in the antiaircraft.

Mr. HUBERT. That is U.S. Army?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you get basic training?

Mr. CRAFARD. Fort Ord.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was in Fort Ord for 2 months and then I went to Presidio, San Francisco, where I was stationed at an air defense school for a period of 2 months and then I was assigned to D Battery, 2d Missile Battalion, San Francisco Defense Organization.

From there I went to Germany in April of 1959. I was transferred to Germany to Deisley Kersne, and I was stationed with the D Battery, 2d Missile Battalion there. I stayed there until November of 1959 then I was transferred back to the United States where I was discharged November 10, 1959.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you serve altogether?

Mr. CRAFARD. Thirteen months.

Mr. HUBERT. Is that the usual tour?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir. The usual tour is 3 to 4 years.

Mr. HUBERT. Well now, what caused you to get out sooner?

Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I understand it is the next thing to a medical discharge.

Mr. HUBERT. What was it based upon, do you know?

Mr. CRAFARD. General, under honorable conditions.

Mr. HUBERT. You have a discharge reading general, under honorable conditions and you are now taking from your pocket a document which is a photostatic copy, I take it?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; DD214.

Mr. HUBERT. Of Defense Department Form 14.

Mr. CRAFARD. 214.

Mr. HUBERT. 214. May I have a look at it?

Do you have any objection, Mr. Crafard if we have a photostatic copy of this document that you have just shown me?

Mr. CRAFARD. No objection.

Mr. HUBERT. So that it can be part of the record and we will give you back the original.

Mr. CRAFARD. No objection.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, what was the place of your discharge from the Army in the United States?

Mr. CRAFARD. Fort Sheridan, Ill.

Mr. HUBERT. When you were discharged, where did you go?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to Kalkaska, Mich., where I resided with my brother-in-law and my sister.

Mr. HUBERT. Which one was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. At the present time it is Mrs. Ingersol. At that time it was Mrs. Richard Clair Tenniswood.

Mr. HUBERT. She had been married twice then?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, then we had better get that information about her. Who was her first husband?

Mr. CRAFARD. Richard Clair Tenniswood. She had two children, two girls by him.

Mr. HUBERT. How was that marriage dissolved?

Mr. CRAFARD. By divorce.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the grounds?

Mr. CRAFARD. I am not sure of the grounds, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she divorce him or did he divorce her?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe she divorced him. I am not positive about that.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I knew him very well.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know where he is?

Mr. CRAFARD. He lives at Port Huron, Mich., just out of Port Huron, Mich.

Mr. HUBERT. What business is he in?

Mr. CRAFARD. Farmer.

Mr. HUBERT. Has he remarried?

Mr. CRAFARD. He plans to remarry this summer.

Mr. HUBERT. Have you seen him recently?

Mr. CRAFARD. Last time I saw him was about 2 months ago. A little over that.

Mr. HUBERT. About how long did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed there for about, let’s see, I stayed there until the following spring, in April.

Mr. HUBERT. That would have been April of 1960?

Mr. CRAFARD. April of 1960. Then I went back out home to Oregon.

Mr. HUBERT. When you left the U.S. Army, did you have any money?

Mr. CRAFARD. How is that?

Mr. HUBERT. When you left the U.S. Army did you have any money?

Mr. CRAFARD. Just what I got from my discharge pay.

Mr. HUBERT. How much was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I had right around $400 all together.

Mr. HUBERT. Is that all you had?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is all I had; yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean is that all the property you had of any sort whatsoever?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had a few items of personal clothing.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean you had no items such as rings or jewelry or things of that kind?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I never wear jewelry, rings.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have an automobile?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; not at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t own any real estate, I take it?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You didn’t have any cash but what you said?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. Would it be correct to estimate that your total worth other than the cash you just mentioned at that time was less than a hundred dollars?

Mr. CRAFARD. I would say so; yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, how long did you stay with your sister?

Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed with them for about 6 or 7 months.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you work?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Where?

Mr. CRAFARD. In the pulpwoods.

Mr. HUBERT. What does that mean?

Mr. CRAFARD. We were cutting pulpwood.

Mr. HUBERT. What did that pay?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was piece work. We was making about $8 a cord.

Mr. HUBERT. About how much would that amount to a month?

Mr. CRAFARD. Oh, man.

Mr. HUBERT. Just an estimate?

Mr. CRAFARD. Probably right around $400.

Mr. HUBERT. That would be net before taxes, wouldn’t it?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you assist your sister financially for board and so forth?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; we was working together, my brother-in-law and I.

Mr. HUBERT. What I mean was were you able to save any money?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I didn’t save any money there.

Mr. HUBERT. You did not. You stayed there about 7 months?

Mr. CRAFARD. About 7 months.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go then?

Mr. CRAFARD. Then I went back out home.

Mr. HUBERT. That is to say where?

Mr. CRAFARD. To Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. At the time you made the move then from the home of your sister to Dallas, Oreg., how much money did you have then?

Mr. CRAFARD. About $150, enough to go out there.

Mr. HUBERT. Is it fair to state that you had spent all the money you had earned by working plus a good part of the savings or the money you had received from the Army?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. So that upon arrival at your parent’s home in Dallas, Oreg., you had approximately $150.

Mr. CRAFARD. I was almost broke when I arrived home.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any other type of property?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Can you fix the time of your arrival back in Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. It would have been in March of 1960.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. How long did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. My main residence then up until this last fall has been Dallas, Oreg. I have done a lot of traveling around.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you do to support yourself from the time you returned to your parents in March 1960?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to work in the fruit----

Mr. HUBERT. In the fruit what?

Mr. CRAFARD. In the fruit, picking fruit. Then I went to work in a cannery. Then I was gone for a while and I worked with the carnivals when I was gone.

Mr. HUBERT. I think we had better get some details about that. How long did you work with the fruit industry?

Mr. CRAFARD. Probably right around a month.

Mr. HUBERT. That would have been in the spring of 1960?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Then you went to the cannery?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you work there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I worked there for about 6 months.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you make there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was making a $1.15 an hour.

Mr. HUBERT. What did it net you before taxes by the month about?

Mr. CRAFARD. I would say probably right around $400 for the month.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you leave your parent’s home?

Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t give you an exact date on this, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, would it be fair to say it was about 7 months after you arrived there from Michigan?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was in the spring of 1961. I believe, probably in April of 1961.

Mr. HUBERT. So that in fact you were with your parents after you moved from Michigan to Dallas, Oreg., for approximately 1 year?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Of which time you say you worked about 7 months?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to school for about 6 months out of it, about 5 or 6 months out of the year, I attended high school.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you finish?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. What high school was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. Dallas High.

Mr. HUBERT. Oregon?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. You were not earning anything then?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. I take it that you left Dallas, Oreg., about April in 1961, is that correct?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go next?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to California where I joined the carnival.

Mr. HUBERT. What part of California?

Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, in Oroville, Calif., where I joined the carnival.

Mr. HUBERT. Oroville?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What carnival was it?

Mr. CRAFARD. Royal West Golden Gate combined.

Mr. HUBERT. Royal West Golden Gate combined?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What type of carnival was it?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was more or less about the general run of the mill for a carnival. Mostly rides.

Mr. HUBERT. When you say “carnival” you are talking about a place where they have these rides for children and so forth?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. How big a carnival was it, I mean, how many people were involved?

Mr. CRAFARD. It is pretty hard to say exactly.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you do with it?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was working with the circus that was attached to the carnival.

Mr. HUBERT. Animal circus?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. They all traveled as a group?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. How long were you with that, in that sort of a group?

Mr. CRAFARD. I worked that for about 3 or 4 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. That is all, 3 or 4 weeks?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. All right, where did you go to next?

Mr. CRAFARD. I traveled through Georgia where I joined another carnival in Georgia, Jerry Lepke Ten in One.

Mr. HUBERT. What sort of a side show was it?

Mr. CRAFARD. He had the sword box, ladder of swords, fire eater, two-headed baby show, and a snake girl show.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you do at that carnival?

Mr. CRAFARD. Roustabout and barker.

Mr. HUBERT. How long were you with them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was with Lepke for about a week.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. After that?

Mr. CRAFARD. Then I went to Michigan.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I visited with my sister and my brother-in-law again for a little while for about 2 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. Which one?

Mr. CRAFARD. Tenniswood. Then I went to Detroit where I joined a kiddyland setup.

Mr. HUBERT. That is sort of a carnival strictly for children?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; parking lot carnival.

Mr. HUBERT. About what time was that then?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was in the fall of 1961.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay with that organization?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was with him for about 2 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. Then what did you do?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went back to Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. When you got to Dallas what did you do? Oregon, I mean.

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to work part time at the Muir and McDonald Leather Tannery and then I went to work for Boise Cascade Valzets Division for the Boise Cascade Plywood. I worked for them until in June of 1962, June 10th, 1962.

Mr. HUBERT. How long then did you work for them?

Mr. CRAFARD. For about 6 months, I believe it was.

Mr. HUBERT. What were you making there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was making, I believe, $2.25 an hour.

Mr. HUBERT. About what did it amount to by the month before taxes?

Mr. CRAFARD. About $400, $450.

Mr. HUBERT. You were not married at this time?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you able to save money?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was spending my money just about as fast as I made it. I was traveling, paying for transportation back and forth to work, buying clothes. By that time I had bought a motorcycle or a motorbike, and I bought a few items, I bought a refrigerator for my mother or a dryer for my mother at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. Now, we have some information that you worked for Federal Aviation Agency through July and October of 1960 in Los Angeles?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; in Los Angeles--I believe they were out of Los Angeles, where I worked for them that was over in Nevada.

Mr. HUBERT. What kind of work did you do?

Mr. CRAFARD. Surveyor’s assistant. I had forgotten I had worked for them.

Mr. HUBERT. Can you tell us anything about your employment with Stewart-Hill in Berkeley, Calif., 1052 Dwight Way, Berkeley, Calif?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember even.

Mr. HUBERT. That would have been between July and September of 1960?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember working for the Teer Plating Co., Dallas, Tex.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about it, please.

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I worked for them 2 or 3 weeks, something like that.

Mr. HUBERT. How much did you make with them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was making a dollar and a quarter an hour while I worked for them. I believe when I left there my last check was either $65 or $85.

Mr. HUBERT. Is that the first time you had ever been in Dallas, Tex.?

Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, I believe it was, I am not certain of that.

Mr. HUBERT. That was between April and June of 1961, was it not?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so. The way I have traveled around, I had a lot of jobs I even forgot about almost.

Mr. HUBERT. What was this Muir Co. you were talking about?

Mr. CRAFARD. It was a leather tannery.

Mr. HUBERT. In Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Muir McDonald?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. At 111 Street. Is that Dallas, Tex., or Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. You worked for them for about almost year, with a couple of time outs, didn’t you?

Mr. CRAFARD. Altogether I worked for them about 18 months. But including the time I worked part time and I worked part time for them for a while while I was working for J. C. Tracy.

Mr. HUBERT. What was J. C. Tracy?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is a cannery in Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. So that during one period you were working two jobs--with Muir McDonald and with J. C. Tracy?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I worked for Muir and McDonald an hour and a half, 2 hours, maybe 3 hours a week.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you ever work for Ablon Poultry Co.?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; that was after I was married.

Mr. HUBERT. That was where?

Mr. CRAFARD. In Dallas, Tex. At that time I was residing at the Letot Trailer Park with my wife and family.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you leave Dallas, Oreg., then?

Mr. CRAFARD. When I went to work there, you mean?

Mr. HUBERT. You had gone to Dallas, Oreg., I think it was in the spring of 1961, wasn’t it?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And you stayed there really about 18 months, right, working for Muir McDonald?

Mr. CRAFARD. All together.

Mr. HUBERT. When you left Dallas, Oreg., you were not married, were you?

Mr. CRAFARD. The last time I left Dallas----

Mr. HUBERT. No; I am talking about the time you left in the latter part of 1962 or early 1963.

Mr. CRAFARD. I was married June of 1962.

Mr. HUBERT. So your wife lived with you for some time in Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. For about 6 months we was living in Dallas, Oreg., from June 10 until I believe in December.

Mr. HUBERT. Where were you married?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was married in Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. Where was your wife from?

Mr. CRAFARD. Originally from Texas.

Mr. HUBERT. What was her name?

Mr. CRAFARD. Her maiden name was Wilma Jean Case.

Mr. HUBERT. C-a-s-e?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Had she been married before?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What was her husband’s name?

Mr. CRAFARD. Donald Johnson.

Mr. HUBERT. How many times was she married before she married you?

Mr. CRAFARD. Just the one time.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you meet her?

Mr. CRAFARD. I met her in Amarillo, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. When? How long before you married?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe it was in 1961.

Mr. HUBERT. What part of 1961?

Mr. CRAFARD. In the spring, I believe, it would have been in March of 1961.

Mr. HUBERT. You knew her about 15 months then before you got married?

Mr. CRAFARD. All told; yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you working in Dallas at the time you met her?

Mr. CRAFARD. I wasn’t employed at the time I met my wife.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you meet her?

Mr. CRAFARD. I met her at the Salvation Army in Amarillo, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. What was she doing?

Mr. CRAFARD. She was there with her husband Donald Johnson at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. She was living with him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. When was she divorced from her husband?

Mr. CRAFARD. She was divorced in 1962, I believe, in April, I am not sure.

Mr. HUBERT. All the time you were living up in Oregon with your parents, did you see her or correspond with her?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I hadn’t saw her for a year.

Mr. HUBERT. You had not seen her for a year when you married her?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I had--I went to Dallas, Tex., trying to find her. From Dallas, Tex., I went to Las Vegas, Nev., where I got in touch with her and where we corresponded for a period of about 5 months.

Mr. HUBERT. I gather from what you say that your interest in her as a person to be your wife grew up during this period?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly, yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. And she agreed to marry you and came up to Dallas, Oreg., to do so?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she work while you were living in Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; she lived with my parents.

Mr. HUBERT. And so did you?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you have any children?

Mr. CRAFARD. I have one child by her. She has a stepson, I have a stepson, her son.

Mr. HUBERT. She had a son by the first marriage?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. What is that son’s name?

Mr. CRAFARD. Don Johnson, Billy Don Johnson.

Mr. HUBERT. How old is he?

Mr. CRAFARD. He is 2 years old approximately.

Mr. HUBERT. He is 2 years old now?

Mr. CRAFARD. He was 2 years old in December. He will be 2½.

Mr. HUBERT. And you have a child by her?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; Robert Johnson.

Mr. HUBERT. When was that child born?

Mr. CRAFARD. He was born March 10, 1963--March 2, excuse me.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you move to Dallas, Tex.--let’s take it chronologically. What happened after you left, where did you go after you left Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to California, I left Dallas, Oreg., the first day of March 1963. I went to California where I spent the month, spent about 3 or 4 weeks, then I went to Dallas, Tex., where my wife was living. We had a reconciliation.

Mr. HUBERT. Before you tell us about the reconciliation, you had better tell us about the breakup because I don’t think that is in the record yet.

Mr. CRAFARD. We--she had left me about 6 months after we married, and I stayed in Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. So she left you about December 1962?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I stayed in Dallas, Oreg., for about 6 months after that.

Mr. HUBERT. She was pregnant then, was she not?

Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge, as far as I know; yes.

Mr. HUBERT. The child was born in March of 1963.

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, I will tell you the truth, the doctor has some doubts himself so I couldn’t say.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean she was pregnant when she left is what I mean in December. I think we are thinking about two different things.

Mr. CRAFARD. No. I believe we are thinking about the same thing.

Mr. HUBERT. I am not asking you whether she was pregnant when you married her.

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I know that.

Mr. HUBERT. I am asking you whether she was pregnant when she left you in December of 1962, because you have just told us that the child was born in March of 1963.

Mr. CRAFARD. I will put it this way. When the doctor was informed she had a child, her doctor was then informed she had a child, he was very shocked and surprised that she had had a child, and she was his patient in May of 1962. He operated on her in May of 1962. So in other words, there is some doubt as to the fact that the child was mine and actually there is a little doubt as to the child is actually hers.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, I wish you would explain that latter part. How can there be some doubt that the child is hers?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t really understand it entirely myself. But the doctor that performed the operation when he was informed she had had the child he was very shocked and very surprised that she had had a child. He wouldn’t say any reason for being so but he was. But I took him--I had understood from him that she wouldn’t be able to have a child for about 2 years after the operation.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the cause of your breakup?

Mr. CRAFARD. That, I do not know.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean she just left?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she leave any notes or anything?

Mr. CRAFARD. She didn’t leave anything. I went to work on Tuesday morning and come home Tuesday and she was gone.

Mr. HUBERT. With her child?

Mr. CRAFARD. With the boy; yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you attempt to find her?

Mr. CRAFARD. I put a tracer on her.

Mr. HUBERT. Well now, when you say you put a tracer, what do you mean?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had the law put a tracer out on her.

Mr. HUBERT. As a missing person?

Mr. CRAFARD. As a missing person; yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you get any reports?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I didn’t.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you next see her or hear from her?

Mr. CRAFARD. I heard from her in February of 1963. The latter part.

Mr. HUBERT. In what way?

Mr. CRAFARD. She wrote to me and told me that she was going to have the baby, and then in March of 1963 I received a letter in California, my folks had sent down to me, from her saying that she had had the baby and would love for me to come see the baby if I wanted to. And I went to Dallas, Tex. And we had a reconciliation.

Mr. HUBERT. What date did you arrive in Dallas, do you know?

Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, right around the 14th, I believe.

Mr. HUBERT. Of March?

Mr. CRAFARD. Of March.

Mr Hubert. Did you have any money then?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Have any other kind of property?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; just a few clothes.

Mr. HUBERT. Is it fair to say you were, pretty broke?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; I was.

Mr. HUBERT. Where was she living?

Mr Crafard. She was at that time staying with her mother and father in Dallas, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. At what location?

Mr. CRAFARD. At Letot Trailer Park.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you spell that?

Mr. CRAFARD. L-e-t-o-t.

Mr. HUBERT. Where is that located?

Mr Crafard. On Lombardy Lane.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you live with her then?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. What did you do, get another trailer?

Mr. CRAFARD. For about a week I lived there with her and her parents. I went to work at the Ablon Poultry and her parents moved away and then for a while her brother and her sister-in-law lived with us; we lived together for a while.

Mr. HUBERT. At Letot’s?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What is their name?

Mr Crafard. It is John Case, Mr. and Mrs. John Case.

Mr. HUBERT. Where do they live now?

Mr. CRAFARD. I have no idea of their present address.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you go to work in Dallas, Tex?

Mr. CRAFARD. About a week after I arrived there.

Mr. HUBERT. Where?

Mr. CRAFARD. At Ablon Poultry.

Mr. HUBERT. What kind of work were you doing there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was working in the hanging racks, hanging chickens.

Mr. HUBERT. How much were you making there?

Mr. CRAFARD. $1.10 an hour.

Mr. HUBERT. How much did that amount to by the month?

Mr Crafard. Probably right around $200, $225, right around there; I am not sure.

Mr. HUBERT. You were still living with your wife then?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. What happened after that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to work at the Porter Building Co. in Dallas, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. Where is that located?

Mr. CRAFARD. Harry Heinz Circle.

Mr. HUBERT. Is that the outfit called the Valley Office and School Equipment Co?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you work for that company?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe I did for a little while. It wasn’t very long.

Mr. HUBERT. What about the Office Building Co. that you were talking about, how long did you work for them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember, I don’t even remember working for the company actually.

Mr. HUBERT. I am talking about the first one you mentioned yourself.

Mr. CRAFARD. The Porter Building Co.?

Mr. HUBERT. Yes.

Mr. CRAFARD. I worked for them for about a month or a month and a half.

Mr. HUBERT. After that who did you work for?

Mr. CRAFARD. We went to Washington, the State of Washington, to Mount Angeles or Port Angeles in the State of Washington.

Mr. HUBERT. About when was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was in May or--it was in June, I believe it was.

Mr. HUBERT. When you say “we” you mean you and your wife and your two children?

Mr. CRAFARD. And my two boys.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you travel?

Mr. CRAFARD. We went up by bus.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you been able to save any money then?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had money when we left there, I had been able to save some then. We stopped in California and I worked for a while 2 or 3 weeks in California.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you work?

Mr. CRAFARD. With a carnival. Then we went on up to Port Angeles, Wash.

Mr. HUBERT. Port Angeles?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. We was there for about 6 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. Until what date?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember the date.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, it was the summer of 1963, wasn’t it?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Was your wife still with you?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; we were together at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. What was your next move?

Mr. CRAFARD. The next thing happened she left me again.

Mr. HUBERT. On what date was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I couldn’t give you a date on that either.

Mr. HUBERT. Well----

Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t remember the dates too well.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, it was the summer time?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; it was in the summer. I believe it was in the latter part of August or the middle of August, I am not sure.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she leave any note this time when she left?

Mr. CRAFARD. She left a note with some friends of ours in Port Angeles, Wash.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the cause of her leaving, did she say?

Mr. CRAFARD. She didn’t say.

Mr. HUBERT. Did she leave any forwarding address?

Mr. CRAFARD. She had went to my brother’s in Los Angeles, Calif.

Mr. HUBERT. Which brother was that, that is the one in the Army?

Mr. CRAFARD. Crafard, yes, sir; Edward D.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did she stay with him?

Mr. CRAFARD. She was there about 2 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did she go?

Mr. CRAFARD. He brought her up to my folk’s place, I went from Washington down to my folk’s place.

Mr. HUBERT. That is Dallas, Oreg.?

Mr. CRAFARD. He brought her up to my folk’s there, in Dallas, Oreg.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have a reconciliation again?

Mr. CRAFARD. We tried a reconciliation. It didn’t work out.

Mr. HUBERT. So what happened?

Mr. CRAFARD. So subsequently, about 3 weeks later, I left home, my folk’s place.

Mr. HUBERT. You left her there?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. She had already gone?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; she was still there over at my folk’s place.

Mr. HUBERT. That is what I mean, you left her there?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I left her there.

Mr. HUBERT. Judging by the time schedule you had mentioned that would have been around the middle of September, is that correct?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so; I am not sure.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you go?

Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, I went to California. I went down on the coast and I worked for a Chinese man down there raising strawberries.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was there for about a week. And from there I went to Long Beach, Calif. I went to work on the new Playland down on Long Beach. I was there for about a month, I believe it was. Then I went to Barstow, Calif., where I went to work for produce out there.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the name of that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember the name of that outfit.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was with him for about 3 or 4 weeks, I believe it was.

Mr. HUBERT. I take it that these jobs simply gave you enough money to live on and save up a little so you could move to the next place?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. All right. After that where did you go?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to Michigan.

Mr. HUBERT. What place there?

Mr. CRAFARD. Fife Lake, Mich.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live there?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was there overnight. My sister and brother-in-law, Ingersol lived there, and----

Mr. HUBERT. And you stayed with them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed overnight there.

Mr. HUBERT. Then where did you go?

Mr. CRAFARD. Then I went to--down into the southern part of Michigan, I joined another carnival down there.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the name of the carnival.

Mr. CRAFARD. Happyland Amusements.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was the owner of it?

Mr. CRAFARD. I am just trying to think of the name. I can think of the first name but I can’t think of his last name.

Mr. HUBERT. Suppose you give us that.

Mr. CRAFARD. His first name was Bob. There were two brothers owned it.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay with them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was with them for about 3 weeks. We traveled from Michigan to Memphis, Tenn. We played the Memphis Fair.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay in Memphis?

Mr. CRAFARD. We was there for 2 weeks.

Mr. HUBERT. What was your next move?

Mr. CRAFARD. My next move was, while I was in Memphis I quit them and went to work for Leonard Wood who owned a trabant.

Mr. HUBERT. What is that?

Mr. CRAFARD. It is one of the newest owned rides out, it is a German-made ride.

Mr. HUBERT. Leonard Wood was his name?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; that was in Memphis, Tenn.

Mr. HUBERT. And you joined him really to move, is that right?

Mr. CRAFARD. No. I made the move with a friend of mine.

Mr. HUBERT. I understood that you were working with the circus or carnival operated by a man named Bob and his brother?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And you quit them to join Leonard Wood’s outfit.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; it was better pay.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay with Wood?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was with them for, I think it was the last 4 days of the fair, about 4 days.

Mr. HUBERT. Then you quit him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Actually I got fired from him. There was a girl there that kept hanging around the ride and we couldn’t get rid of her and everybody tried to get rid of her. She thought she was in love with me or something.

Mr. HUBERT. So Leonard Wood fired you?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And what did you do next?

Mr. CRAFARD. I traveled to Dallas, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you travel?

Mr. CRAFARD. With a friend of mine, Mickey Spillane.

Mr. HUBERT. Mickey who?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mickey Corday.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you spell the last name?

Mr. CRAFARD. C-o-r-d-a-y.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you travel?

Mr. CRAFARD. Traveled down in his car.

Mr. HUBERT. Where is he from, do you know?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know where his home is.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know him prior to this time?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had seen him prior to this time and heard of him prior to this time.

Mr. HUBERT. I mean it wasn’t a hitchhike?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I met him at the fairgrounds in Dallas, Tex., or in Memphis.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you drive straight to Dallas?

Mr. CRAFARD. We drove straight to Dallas, Tex.

Mr. HUBERT. Now when you arrived in Dallas, what did you do?

Mr. CRAFARD. I went to work with an outfit “How Hollywood Makes Movies” setup in the Dallas, Tex., State Fair.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. Deke Miles and Bob Craven.

Mr. HUBERT. Had you known them before?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. What date was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember the date on that. It was the first day of the fair.

Mr. HUBERT. It was the first day of what fair?

Mr. CRAFARD. The Dallas, Tex., State Fair.

Mr. GRIFFIN. This was in the fall of 1963?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. How much money did you make with them?

Mr. CRAFARD. I made $5 a day.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live?

Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed in the tent. I was night watchman in the tent. They had a lot of props and equipment in the tent.

Mr. HUBERT. In the meantime what happened to your wife?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had no idea.

Mr. HUBERT. To this day?

Mr. CRAFARD. To this day, I found out what had happened later but right now I have no idea where she is at.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did she stay with your parents after you left?

Mr. CRAFARD. She was there with my parents for about 2 or 3 weeks and then she took a job babysitting. She stayed there for about a week and then she took sick I understand and was in the hospital for about 3 days. Was back with my parents for about a week and then they went to Dallas, Tex. She left the boys with my parents, was in Dallas, Tex., for 2 or 3 weeks, then she went back up home and picked the boys up and the last I had heard of she had went to Cuba, Mo., and left the boys with a woman there in Cuba, Mo., and was paying her to take care of the boys.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you find out all this?

Mr. CRAFARD. This woman in Missouri wrote to my mother, that is how I found out she had been there and my mother told me what had happened when she was still with them.

Mr. HUBERT. What is the last word you heard from your wife?

Mr. CRAFARD. How is that?

Mr. HUBERT. What is the last time you heard anything about her?

Mr. CRAFARD. The last time I heard anything about her, had any news or had any knowledge of her whatsoever was about, on Saturday the 7th, March 7 of this year.

Mr. HUBERT. You don’t know where she is now?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Has she the children?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; she has got the children.

Mr. HUBERT. When did you first meet Jack Ruby?

Mr. CRAFARD. I met Jack Ruby about the third day of the Dallas, Tex., State Fair, at the fairgrounds.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about how you met him.

Mr. CRAFARD. He was backing the--Mr. Craven and Mr. Miles, and he come out there to talk to them.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you present when they spoke?

Mr. CRAFARD. I was out front when he come out there.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he seem to know them or----

Mr. CRAFARD. He knew them. They were acquainted.

Mr. HUBERT. They were acquainted?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. You could tell that from the conversation?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, they just walked up to each other and shook hands and called each other by the first name.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the substance of the conversation?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly the conversation had to do with a twistboard exerciser that Ruby was trying to promote.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, go ahead.

Mr. CRAFARD. And he was there for about a half, 45 minutes that evening, and it was 2 or 3 days later before I saw him again.

Mr. HUBERT. Before you go on, would you tell us how long after you joined the fair did you first see this man Ruby?

Mr. CRAFARD. About 2 or 3 days, about 2 days after I joined the fair.

Mr. HUBERT. That would be about 2 days after the fair opened.

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And the second time you saw him was about 3 days after that?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe so, yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the occasion of seeing him the second time?

Mr. CRAFARD. He came out there to talk to Mr. Miles and Mr. Craven.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you overhear that conversation?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; I did not.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know what was the purpose of the conversation?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe Mr. Miles--he had brought some props, a couple of prop chairs, some chairs used for props and a mirror used for a prop to be used.

Mr. HUBERT. Jack Ruby brought that out to them?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. What was his interest in this fair?

Mr. CRAFARD. I had no idea.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he have any financial interest?

Mr. CRAFARD. He had some financial interest there.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you know that?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mr. Craven had told me, we had been talking and he told me that Ruby had some financial interest in it.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he indicate what it was about, how much?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, did Ruby put up money?

Mr. CRAFARD. From what I understood he had put up some money.

Mr. HUBERT. How much?

Mr. CRAFARD. I have no idea.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you hear Mr. Craven or Mr. Miles talk about what percentage he might have in the interests of the project?

Mr. CRAFARD. No, sir; whenever I was around Mr. Craven and Mr. Miles I was pretty busy working most of the time.

Mr. HUBERT. And you lived in the tent all the time?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have any friends in Dallas?

Mr. CRAFARD. There was a few people that I know there.

Mr. HUBERT. Would you name them?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, at that time there was as far as I knew my brother-in-law, John Case, lived in Dallas.

Mr. HUBERT. He still did?

Mr. CRAFARD. And there was a few members of the church my wife and I went to still in Dallas there.

Mr. HUBERT. Who were they?

Mr. CRAFARD. Brother Lee Cooksey and Robert Roskydall I believe it is.

Mr. HUBERT. Who else?

Mr. CRAFARD. And that was about the only ones I knew around there right then. I met some people during that fair.

Mr. HUBERT. As to these people you have named, how close a relationship did you develop?

Mr. CRAFARD. Just church members together.

Mr. HUBERT. What church was that?

Mr. CRAFARD. General Assembly and Church of the First Born.

Mr. HUBERT. Where is it located?

Mr. CRAFARD. Out North Dallas is all I can give you.

Mr. HUBERT. Was this State fair project called, “How Hollywood Makes Movies,” a success financially?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; it was an absolute failure.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean people didn’t flock to it?

Mr. CRAFARD. We went bankrupt, they went broke.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean they closed before the fair closed?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir; it was only open for about a week. I had heard rumors to the effect that Mr. Craven had wrote a lot of bad checks to start with.

Mr. HUBERT. Were you paid any salary by them?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly about all I got from them was expenses. It was supposed to be $5 a day but about all I got was my meals and cigarettes furnished.

Mr. HUBERT. You got money from them?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Well, did it actually close its doors and stop operating before the fair closed?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; about a week, it only ran about a week.

Mr. HUBERT. And the fair lasted how long?

Mr. CRAFARD. 2 weeks. When they left it was another outfit come in there with a dance band.

Mr. HUBERT. When you say, “come in there,” you mean took over the space?

Mr. CRAFARD. Took over the space in the same tent.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you stay with that outfit?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; I stayed with that outfit.

Mr. HUBERT. What was the name of it?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t believe they even had a real name for it.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us some of the people who were connected with it.

Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see. I can’t even--there was Big Jess, he was one of the big shots around the State fair there.

Mr. HUBERT. Was he a musician?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; he owns two or three rides on the fair grounds, permanent rides on the Dallas Texas State Fair Grounds.

Mr. HUBERT. How was he connected with the organization that took the place of the other one?

Mr. CRAFARD. He took up the lease, the rent on the tent, on the space, and had this other outfit come in.

Mr. HUBERT. The other outfit I take it was a band?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; musical band.

Mr. HUBERT. How many pieces were there?

Mr. CRAFARD. Let’s see, I believe it was three- and four-piece band.

Mr. HUBERT. How was it supposed to make money?

Mr. CRAFARD. Charged 50 cents to get in.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean to listen to the music?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly listen to the music.

Mr. HUBERT. What else?

Mr. CRAFARD. They had some couples on stage dancing.

Mr. HUBERT. They had some what?

Mr. CRAFARD. They had some couples on stage dancing.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean couples from the audience?

Mr. CRAFARD. At first and then they wouldn’t allow them to have couples on the stage from the audience any more so they hired a couple of dancers.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did they hire them from?

Mr. CRAFARD. Girls around the fairgrounds.

Mr. HUBERT. Did they get any from Ruby’s place?

Mr. CRAFARD. One of the girls came out from Ruby’s place.

Mr. HUBERT. What was her name?

Mr. CRAFARD. Joy Dale.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Dale?

Mr. CRAFARD. Dale. I don’t know her real name. Her first name was Joyce from what I understood.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you recognize the name Joyce McDonald?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe that was her last name, yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. But her stage name was Joy, not Joyce?

Mr. CRAFARD. Joy Dale.

Mr. HUBERT. What kind of a dance did she do?

Mr. CRAFARD. About all she done was worked out front. She would get out front and more than anything just stand around out there. She would come out originally to help this “How Hollywood Makes Movies” setup. They used her as an attraction piece.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby bring her out there then?

Mr. CRAFARD. I believe the first time she came out there I believe Jack brought her out there and introduced her to Miles and Craven.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Jack have any interest in the second organization?

Mr. CRAFARD. To my knowledge, no. Except that he knew the man who was managing the setup there.

Mr. HUBERT. And you have given us his name, I think already.

Mr. CRAFARD. Dusty was the name of the guy who was managing it. He was another carnival, carnie. He was managing it, Jess was backing it but Dusty was managing it.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you know Dusty’s last name?

Mr. CRAFARD. I can’t recall it.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did he live?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t know--let’s see, I think his home was somewhere in Ohio.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he stay with the organization until the end of it?

Mr. CRAFARD. He stayed with the organization until the law closed them down.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about that.

Mr. CRAFARD. The stage dancers got, the last day they was getting, pretty wild.

Mr. HUBERT. You mean the last day of the fair?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; the last day they was open. It was 2 or 3 days before the fair closed, they were getting pretty wild.

Mr. HUBERT. What do you mean by that?

Mr. CRAFARD. With their dancing; it was getting real sexy.

Mr. HUBERT. It wasn’t a striptease, was it?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; more than anything they were using the “Dirty Dog,” and it can be made so filthy that it will almost turn a person’s stomach if they do it right.

Mr. HUBERT. Do they actually use dogs in this dance?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; it is a dance called, “The Dog,” but they have got what they call, “The Dirty Dog,” too.

Mr. HUBERT. How many girls were involved in that?

Mr. CRAFARD. There were two girls and one guy.

Mr. HUBERT. One of those girls was the girl called Joy Dale?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. What was she doing at that time?

Mr. CRAFARD. As far as I know Joy was just working at the club, Carousel Club at that time.

Mr. HUBERT. She wasn’t connected with the show at the fair?

Mr. CRAFARD. She hadn’t been out there but about one time after the dance outfit took over.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you know the names of the girls on the stage?

Mr. CRAFARD. I don’t remember their names.

Mr. HUBERT. Had they come from Jack Ruby?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. How do you know that?

Mr. CRAFARD. They met them on the fairgrounds. They put an ad and the girls contacted them.

Mr. HUBERT. Did Ruby come around to that second thing?

Mr. CRAFARD. He was around a couple of times.

Mr. HUBERT. A couple of times?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Did he stay very long?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not that I could notice.

Mr. HUBERT. Who was he with?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly by himself when he came out there.

Mr. HUBERT. How did you get to know him?

Mr. CRAFARD. Well, just a couple of times talking to him around the fairgrounds there and he gave me a free pass into his club any time I wanted to go in.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you go in?

Mr. CRAFARD. Not until after the fair closed when I went to work for Ruby.

Mr. HUBERT. How much money did you make at the fair altogether?

Mr. CRAFARD. Altogether at the fair all I made was expenses.

Mr. HUBERT. As I understood you had very little when you got there.

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. So that when the fair closed you were just about flat broke.

Mr. CRAFARD. I was flat broke.

Mr. HUBERT. What happened after the fair closed?

Mr. CRAFARD. Ruby hired me then to tear some lumber down, a stage he had had there at the tent. He brought the lumber out of it and he had me tear that down and clean it up.

Mr. HUBERT. Of course, the thing had been closed for 2 days before the fair closed itself?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. And I don’t suppose it reopened in any other fashion?

Mr. CRAFARD. No.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did it take you to do the job that Ruby hired you for?

Mr. CRAFARD. About 4 hours all told.

Mr. HUBERT. And this stuff was moved?

Mr. CRAFARD. Moved to the Carousel Club, downstairs in the Carousel Club where it was stored.

Mr. HUBERT. Did you have anything to do with the moving?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes; helped move the lumber and clean it up.

Mr. HUBERT. Then your original employment by Ruby was for that job alone?

Mr. CRAFARD. When he hired me he said he had that for me that I could do and then he said I could stay, he wanted me to stay at the club that night, and the next day he talked to me and he had me stay with him.

Mr. HUBERT. Tell us about your arrangement with Ruby?

Mr. CRAFARD. Mostly, there was no set salary, any time I needed salary I put a draw slip in the till and take it out of the till.

Mr. HUBERT. What were you supposed to do?

Mr. CRAFARD. Help clean the club up, work the lights on the girls on stage, answer the phone calls, answer the phone when he wasn’t there. Work on the bar if they needed me or anything like that.

Mr. HUBERT. In other words, you did almost anything you were asked to do?

Mr. CRAFARD. That is right.

Mr. HUBERT. Where did you live at that time?

Mr. CRAFARD. I stayed at the Carousel Club.

Mr. HUBERT. What accommodations did they have for sleeping and so on?

Mr. CRAFARD. We had a room with a cot in it.

Mr. HUBERT. Whose room was it?

Mr. CRAFARD. It had been at one time a dressing room for one of the stars he had in there, Jada, a stripper by the name of Jada.

Mr. HUBERT. Was she there when you first went there?

Mr. CRAFARD. When I first went there; yes. At that time I slept in Jack’s office.

Mr. HUBERT. Then when you first went to the Carousel you slept in Jack’s office?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, sir.

Mr. HUBERT. Was there a cot there, too?

Mr. CRAFARD. He had a couch in his office.

Mr. HUBERT. When you first went there it was the day the fair closed or the day after?

Mr. CRAFARD. The day after the fair closed.

Mr. HUBERT. Do you remember the date of that?

Mr. CRAFARD. No; I don’t remember the date.

Mr. HUBERT. How long did you stay--strike that.

How long did you sleep in Jack’s office?

Mr. CRAFARD. For about a week.

Mr. HUBERT. And then you moved into Jada’s room?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes.

Mr. HUBERT. Or dressing room, that is after she had gone?

Mr. CRAFARD. Yes, after she had gone.

Mr. HUBERT. And you stayed there until you left finally?

Mr. CRAFARD. I left the 23d of November, I believe it was.

Mr. HUBERT. What were your hours there?

Mr. CRAFARD. Any hours. I would just get up, I usually got up about 8 o’clock in the morning and I would be lucky if I would get to bed before 3:30, 4 o’clock.

Mr. HUBERT. How come you would get up so early?

Mr. CRAFARD. Get the club cleaned up.